July Community Update discussion

[yogo1212]

Oh, please, let's cut this BS. Pine64 is a business and not a charity and $200 is not "practically free".

Not all business have to work in the same way. I'll re-phrase what i wanted to say about the "practically free" part:
The prices on the pine64 store are modelled in a way that it pays for the unavoidable costs. You basically pay only for parts, assembly, and logistics.
The work that goes in designing the products and organising assembly and delivery is done by the community and/or for the community.
Every now and then we read that pine64 suffers financial losses to be able to keep the price low or because shipping became more expensive.

There are already clunky red disclaimers on store pages:
>> "we are offering the PinePhone at this price as a community service" <<
How can you look past that?

"Community service" is how pine64 describes their work.
In that cases: a phone for people who want to advance Linux phones.
What makes you believe that it was anything else?
Honestly. You keep insisting that pine64 should be doing this or that - what leaves you with the impression that they would be doing so?

And the fact that Pine decided to sell their products at their current prices is not their client's problem.

Pine64 is transparent about their price policy. That means customers also judge in advance what they can or can not expect.
If client doesn't do that - it really is the clients problem.

Now that is a decent idea. A warning, saying something along the lines of "We can't guarantee the device you're buying is going to be defect-free or fully functional. In case you do get a defective device, you might have to wait several months for a warranty service". That would at least be honest. After such a warning you'd finally be justified in saying that unhappy customers "should've known what they were buying".

I'm glad you agree. I'm sad that it should be necessary.


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Everyone keeps saying they can understand I'm frustrated. But, unlike the previous guy/gal or you, I've actually kept the conversation civil and never insulted anyone personally, despite my frustration. Yet first, a community member tries to insult me, and now you, another community member, are trying to mock me instead of arguing my points? Well, that would certainly change my mind and convince me to become a part of the community. /S
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Right from the first post (and you made the first post) you insinuate that pine64 is being careless and - in a way - dumb - for making 'obvious mistakes'.
And you go on and on and on and on and expect that everyone just takes it from you.
With every one of your posts, the perceived probability of you being a deliberate troll goes up.
Insulting a troll usually doesn't work, which is why i was belittleing you - slightly better chance of success.

Go check my last post.
The things you demand from pine64 in order to improve your situation don't align with the company goals.
Your arguments build on assumptions about the nature of the product or the profitability of the company.
I did argue your points. Granted, i did also mock you. But i did argue your points. Paragraph by paragraph.
Did i miss something?

But alright, I'll bite. Worse how, exactly? Ban my forum account? I don't believe I've broken any of this forum's rules, but they could go right ahead, it would only prove my point. Refuse to sell me another device? They certainly could, but If it wasn't clear yet, I won't be buying anything else from Pine. Or maybe Pine is going to ignore a Paypal dispute? They could try, but I doubt it's going to work well for them.

EDIT: I was trying to imply that continuing in this argument wasn't going to be glorious. You "bit" as you've said. You're here for the glory.

Why are you still here?
You've increased the costs of operation because of your lousy and uninformed decision - and by that the store costs for everyone else involved.
Great work. Job done. Be proud of yourself. Now get lost.
What can you possibly hope to achieve here?

So, maybe you should heed your own advice, lay low for a while, and don't make yourself look worse than you already do?

As i've said: I know how this works: Person with the longest breath wins.
But for the sake of this thread we should go somewhere else with this.