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| Battery life for various OS & UI |
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Posted by: lat - 12-13-2020, 08:16 PM - Forum: PinePhone Software
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Can battery life be gained by a choice of OS & UI?
- Is there a noticeable difference in battery life between operating systems? (All other things being equal, of course, like usage.)
I'm especially curious about Archlinux vs postmarketOS vs Debian.
- Does UI choice notably affect battery life? Which UI's are least/most power hungry?
My hypothesis is that minimalistic OS's like PMOS load cpu less than, say, Ubuntu/Debian or Manjaro, and thus draw less power.
Likewise, for UI's, I assume that a bare OS only with command line interface and without any GUI uses less power than, say, Lomiri (Ubuntu Touch) or Phosh.
I haven't done any solid testing, though. From casual use, SXMO did seem to have a noticeably longer battery life than ArchLinux+Phosh.
Maybe people could share their experiences with battery life using different OS's & UI's here?
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| Installing chromium browser? |
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Posted by: Zebulon Walton - 12-13-2020, 01:42 PM - Forum: Mobian on PinePhone
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Maybe I'm missing something obvious but I don't seem to be able to install the chromium web browser from the command line. Running apt install chromium-browser doesn't work...
Code: [mobian@mobian ~]$ sudo apt install chromium-browser
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package chromium-browser is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
E: Package 'chromium-browser' has no installation candidate
Trying apt install chromium doesn't work either, but it suggests another package...
Code: [mobian@mobian ~]$ sudo apt-get install chromium
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package chromium is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
chromium-bsu
However,"chromium-bsu" appears to be a shoot-em-up space game:
https://packages.debian.org/sid/chromium-bsu
So -- how to install the chromium browser? Is there another repository that needs to be added?
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| ISO Smart Mini Portable Soldering Iron |
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Posted by: cjmones - 12-13-2020, 01:34 PM - Forum: Getting Started
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Bad mom here. My son asked for one thing for Xmas. I thought he was buying it for himself. He thought I was buying it for him.
Anyone have a source for the PINECIL Smart Mini Portable Soldering Iron even at a small premium? Should I/can I look somewhere else for it?
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| What is the best SBC model for custom libre-linux build? |
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Posted by: Mwo87 - 12-13-2020, 01:24 PM - Forum: General
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I am considering buying a few Pine64 SBC's, but I need to know how amenable the various models are to building a fully libre custom linux. Specifically, building my own ATF, mainline U-Boot, mainline de-blobbed kernel, etc.
I own some Libre Computer Tritium boards and have successfully done this with them, but I've found the hardware somewhat unreliable, e.g ethernet ports going bad, etc. so I am looking for an alternative.
Would RockPro64 or H64 be a good fit for what I am doing? Also, are the Wifi/BT modules usable with open firmware?
Thanks
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| Getting the Idea to Stick! (Ideation Marketing) |
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Posted by: food - 12-13-2020, 01:23 PM - Forum: General Discussion on PinePhone
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I've gotten speaking about the Pinephone to people down to a very simple pattern across demographics in my urban area:
Quote:I have a new phone (this is either after they ask me to do something a proprietary phone can do, and it can't, or it's a person I'm familiar with)
It's worse than the old one
It works as a phone with calls and texts and contacts
just like regular
AND It doesn't have any Apple or Google, Android or Windows on it
There are no backdoors; no one is able to come in, not even you if you mess up, though you can reset it if something goes wrong
It never does anything against my will
It's sort of similar to a filing cabinet that you have to maintain yourself
look at this camera, it's terrible! *laughs*
After they see it and have the knowledge that it even exists as an option, and don't feel threatened by it and how new it is, I let them know the following:
I don't recommend it for everyday use yet, You'd be interested in it if you're building it or you're testing it right now.
the idea does stick. That's key. Because anyone can search it on their own devices after the idea is there. That's where I see "marketing" the pinephone is at.
I also make it clear that it's perfectly acceptable that they own the apple or google phone and let them know I understand that's where they're at and where they put *their* money Right Now.
It allows people who are just finding out about the whole floss thing and the pinephone thing to come to their own realizations about what it is and not typing them into a box, or an "ideal adopter." Same for the people who use for-profit tech: it allows them to see for themselves if they WANT to really take it on themselves, and it frees up me having to explain anything. It's more interactive than stereo-typing or selling.
I'm not a marketer btw, these are just conversations that I've been having started by how differently this phone operates
people also LOVE there's no ads on the music I play 
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| Waterproof Enclosure Knockout Size |
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Posted by: faultywarrior - 12-13-2020, 12:07 PM - Forum: General Discussion on ROCKPRO64
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Does anyone know what the correct size and thread pattern the threaded knockouts on the Aluminum Waterproof Enclosure are? I can't seem to figure it out, despite having 3D printed several different sizes and styles of bolts; none of which seem to match up. I figure before I waste more resin and time printing more and more test parts, I'd just ask. I can't find any real spec sheets or drawings that would list this data, and my own measurements are inconclusive.
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| Main board issues |
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Posted by: Athansor - 12-13-2020, 10:08 AM - Forum: General Discussion on PinePhone
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I have the UBPorts CE Pinephone, onto which I had flashed Mobian, and had been running Mobian successfully for several weeks. I subsequently replaced the original main board with one of the new 3GB boards, which unfortunately, was DOA. No response. Phone wouldn't even power up.
So I put the original board back in. Now I have a problem. The phone boots up fine, I enter the password and then passcode, and the launch screen appears for about 2-3 seconds and fades to black. The phone doesn't go off, but there is nothing I can do to get that screen to stay on. I can click the power button, get the phone to go into standby, and repeat the login process with passcode, with the same result.
So I tried booting off an SD card with Mobian installed, and that stalls out at the password. It won't unlock and the keyboard is unresponsive.
Can anyone point me in the right direction as to what might be wrong?
Thanks in advance.
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| Beta support: MMS on chatty/mmsd on Modem Manager - help/testing wanted! |
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Posted by: kop316 - 12-13-2020, 09:07 AM - Forum: PinePhone Software
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Hello all,
There has been awesome progress to get beta support for getting MMS to work with chatty! This is by not yet stable, and but is getting closer to day to day use!
If you need help too, there is a matrix/IRC channel you can chat with folks on:
#opensourcemms:matrix.org (Matrix)
or #opensourcemms on OFTC IRC
The two are bridged so you can join either way.
It would be great to get some help and testing to make it stable, so we can bring MMS to the Pinephone. The two pieces of software are here (you will beed to compile yourself):
MMSD
The README has all of the information to compile and install mmsd, or to test it in debug mode.
If you have Mobian, it is in the unstable repos
If you have pmOS, you can download it from their repo now!
tor.sh is also working to package it gor Fedora! https://gitlab.com/fedora-mobile/mmsd/
Also so you know, mmsd alone fully supports MMS! You can see how to send a message here:
https://source.puri.sm/kop316/mmsd/-/blo...nd-message
https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/purple-mm...ote_132496
And it recieves payloads in $HOME/.mms/modemmanger/
Updates:
Jan 2 2020:
purple-mm-sms has a lot more integration to send and recieve MMS! work is still needed to integrate it into chatty.
- Recieving single and group MMS works! However I cannot open up a group MMS in chatty: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/chatty/-/issues/444
- I have a working proof of concept for now sending an MMS through chatty (in the IM). It's commented out, mainly because it is only for text which is redundant for an SMS. I'm going to work on adding it for the chat (aka group MMS) for text. The next step would be on how to integrate it for images and other files. But that needs to be worked with integration into chatty.
- The sending an MMS will soon also be integrated into group MMS, right now it is just a stub of code
This MMS stack has been developed/tested in Mobian with phosh. - mmsd needs some patches to compile and run on PostmaketOS/phosh. Craftguy in the matrix chat has accomplished this (you will need to talk to the folks in the pmOS matrix chat for help on this). There is a WIP MR for this: https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports...uests/1840
Jan 3 2020:
I have kept working on purple-mm-sms. Group MMS is now supported for recieving (any type of attachment) and is now supported for sending (but only text)! The group MMS will not show up in chatty due to this: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/chatty/-/issues/444 but they show up in pidgin.
For the most part, adding initial MMS support in purple-mm-sms is pretty complete (but needs testing and some bug fixes). The majority of the work is now integrating both a) into chatty and b) mmsd more completely into modemmanager. I annotated the steps here for mmsd/modem manager integraton : https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?...2#pid86942 , but the good news is that the majority of work needed for mmsd/modem manager is to make a plugin to support modem manager
Jan 4 2020:
The Simple.c plugin got a bit of work. It now has a config file (that is created on first run) that can take the mmsd, and the interface so you no longer have to configure it at compile time.
Jan 6 2020:
There are some more updates to mmsd and purple-mm-sms! The simple.c plugin is now compatible with mm-glib, which is good to make it integrate with Modem Manager. More details on the updates are here: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?...6#pid87096
Jan 7 2020:
So for good news, porting modem manager to mmsd is relatively straight forward! purple-mm-sms has most/all of the hooks needed for it. You can find those here:
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?...2#pid87182
But for some bad news....It is largely related to this issue:
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mobile-br...issues/227
As of now, the Pinephone can only handle one bearer at a time. I do not know if that is a modem manager limitation, or a hardware limitation. Modem Manager's documentation suggests it has the capability to handle multiple bearers, but I have been suggested that this is a core modem manager limitation. At this time, I simply don't know which it is. I am sincerely hoping it is just a modem manager limitation (i.e. either our modem needs add support, or modem manager needs to add support).
What does this mean in plain english? If you have a carrier with an MMS APN AND a data APN, you can only have access to MMS or data, NOT both at once. If it is a hardware limitation, there's nothing that can be done. If it is a software limitation, that has to be changed in Modem Manager.
Jan 8 2020:
Hey All, I finished a working inplimentation of a modem manager plugin for mmsd! Please look here for the "0.1" commit.
https://source.puri.sm/kop316/mmsd/-/tree/ModemManager
EDIT: Ok I got a bit excited, I now added a few things to ensure that you can understand the API and make sure the plugin is resiliant. I do not have the AT&T tweaks in yet, as soon as I confirm which tweaks to use and test, I will add them.
Jan 9 2020:
I now added a README so you can understand how the settings work, and I incorporated kent's changes to get mmsd to work with AT&T (Thanks kent!).
UPDATE: if you are using mmsd with the modem manager plugin, please update. I fixed an annoying issue finally with it.
UPDATE: Mr. Stephen Hinton confirmed that this stack works with H2O wireless! Thank you!
Jan 10 2020:
Since mmsd has a smarter plugin (modemmanger), I had to polish up purple-mm-sms to better sync with the new plugin. I did just that, so the two should sync better (and the segfault issue has gone away).
Jan 11 2020:
mmsd is almost feature complete! I am having help to package it up for debian, and some folks are working to package it for pmOS and fedora. I am also seeing what I need to do to upstream these changes.
Jan 12 2020:
mmsd is feature complete for modem manager! there are two issues thus far: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?...1#pid87441 (They are not show stoppers thankfully, but I want to annotate them for completeness).
All that is left is to package it!
Jan 13 2020:
Well I hate to say....My latest git commit broke mmsd sending on my side. I have since updated it to fix it.
Jan 14 2020:
If anyone can, I am requesting some help getting a few things done, I put them further up in this post . I have made unsuccessful attempts to get it working. I also added more code for sending MMS.
Jan 15 2020:
Chats (Group MMS) is inching closer to working, but still has some issues. If anyone knows how to solve it, the help would be appreciated! I annotated it here: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?...8#pid87658
Jan 16 2020:
In the interest of integrating MMS more into Chatty versus purple-mm-sms, I am working with Purism to more directly integrate the purple-mm-sms MMS code into chatty, versus work on a standalone purple-mm-sms. The good news is what was developed for purple-mm-sms can be directly put into Chatty, and MMS can work better with chatty! But this also means that purple-mm-sms will not be heavily developed on anymore (unless the work directly benefits Chatty development too). Please see here for details: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?...8#pid87698 . When I have something usable for chatty, like purple-mm-sms, I intend to post it here, and have a way for folks to test/help with it.
Note this only affects purple-mm-sms, mmsd is still standalone and still being worked on.
Jan 18 2020:
I fixed an annoying issue with mmsd on its dates. I mmsd closes/the system is restarted, mmsd forgot the dates of the MMS and reports them all at the start of epoch time. That bug was fixed!
Also, someone reported that they could get MMS with an IP only proxy, but the issue was on the purple-mm-sms side. Some testing to figure this out would be welcome!
Jan 19 2020:
Well it seems like today has been a really good day bug hunting within mmsd. I have been able to solve every bug that I can reliably reproduce, making mmsd much more stable for usage.
The one outstanding issue is whether mmsd works with MMS proxies that are IP addresses only. I have had someone test this issue on AT&T (change the domain to the IP address manually), and they reported success with mmsd, but said there may be an purple-mm-sms issue. However, in either case, I unfortunately cannot test this issue. If someone can hunt down this issue (and find a fix, or show me where the fix needs to go), I would greatly appreciate it.
Jan 20 2020:
So with more stability, comes more testing, which discovers more bugs. I have reworked mmsd and the modem manager plugin a bit more. The primary feature added is the modem manager plugin can much better handle if the modem is disconnected from mobile data, and a program can activate mmsd to process messages waiting to be sent/recieved manually! This is really good news to make mmsd handle real life scenarios.
Until I/someone else discover more bugs, the only outstanding issue is the MMS proxy issue.
Jan 21 2020:
So I have been able to get mmsd to handle suspending and waking up a lot better! There is some weirdness involving the dbus though for it, and I am not quite sure why. Essentially purple-mm-sms will always register a new dbus interface from mmsd in unsuspending, even though I never disabled the dbus interface.
If anyone knows what cuases that, their help would be appreciated!
EDIT: I seem to have figured it out! It looks like I have mmsd/purple-mm-sms supporting MMS even from suspend! I can send myself an MMS while Mobian suspends and it recieves!
Jan 21 2020:
It seems that mmsd is still on the buggy side for supporting receiving MMS from suspend. From what I can tell, the issue stems from it trying to reattached to the modem too fast after suspend, and the modem isn't ready. If anyone has experience in how to handle this, some help would be appreciated!
EDIT: I seemed to have fixed this on the mmsd side....but purple-mm-sms seems to still have issues. I will have to look into this to figure out what is going on.
Jan 27 2021:
So good news, I think mmsd is in really good shape, and unless someone finds something to be a show stopper, it is at a point release!
Jan 28 2021:
So good news! I think I have the Telus issue resolved. Thank you Futurebucket for your help resolving it.
Feb 4 2021:
I updated with I have been up to. I have been working to better integrate MMS support into a future release of chatty. I showed how to integrate it, but it is very much a WIP.
Feb 7 2021:
I finally got mmsd packaged up for Debian!
Feb 8 2021:
I have the new chatty on feature parity with purple-mm-sms (it isn't as polished though). If you try it BACK UP $(HOME)/.purple !!!
Feb 10 2021:
I updated mmsd to make a user configurable maximum attachment size limit.
Feb 17 2021:
After playing around with Android a bit, I updated the default maximum attachment size limit. I also make mmsd a bit smarter to auto send/recieve messages when it connects/disconnects (this is user configurable).
Feb 18 2021:
I completed a reference chatty implimentation of MMS! You can see details here: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?...6#pid90026
I also refactored MMSD so the patches aren't all over the place.
Feb 27 2021:
In case folks are wondering what I have been up to, it really boils down to waiting right now. I submitted my patches both to chatty and mmsd. The dev from chatty has been responsive, I have not heard anything from the ofono maintainers. If you know of a way to get a response from the ofono maintainers, your help would be appreciated (I have already tried their mailing list and IRC).
Apr 8 2021:
I added a feature on mmsd to automatically recieve SMS WAPs to process MMS. WIth that, mmsd fully supports MMS with Modem Manager (no need for purple-mm-sms/chatty)!
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PineCube as a Satellite Smart Speaker |
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Posted by: boredom101 - 12-13-2020, 08:42 AM - Forum: Development Discussion on PineCube
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I was thinking that since the Cube has a speaker and microphone, it could be used as a Mycroft smart speaker, obviously since it has low specs it would use another computer for most processing, that can do the processing for multiple Cubes. It can also make use of the camera for things like barcode scanning and object detection. Is this a feasible project? And if so is this something people want?
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