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(09-14-2021, 01:35 PM)bcnaz Wrote: <snip>

I don't think there is anything at this time that is labeled :  "Bookworm Stable"

Correct and, according to the Mobian blog announcement, Bullseye (stable) support will be very limited:

Current users will still get updates from Debian throughout the lifetime of bullseye but shouldn’t expect new versions of user-facing applications or the mobile software stack. To put it short, here’s what you’ll get from sticking to bullseye:


    security updates for the core system
    minor upgrades to system packages

Here’s what you won’t get should you decide to stick to bullseye:

    security updates for packages maintained by Mobian
    shiny new features
    usability improvements

See:https://blog.mobian-project.org/posts/20...e-release/

So I made the leap from stable to unstable.
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Officially,  is the Bookworm  'Nightly Release'    "Unstable"  or  "Testing"  ?
          ( What is the line between unstable and testing ?)

I would like to know the  "proper term"  as we will likely be referring to,  and talking about this for some years to come.
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(09-14-2021, 05:22 PM)bcnaz Wrote: Officially,  is the Bookworm  'Nightly Release'    "Unstable"  or  "Testing"  ?
          ( What is the line between unstable and testing ?)

I would like to know the  "proper term"  as we will likely be referring to,  and talking about this for some years to come.

Mobian releases don't seem to work like Debian. Mobian only has bookworm and bullseye. There is no "sid" (unstable). According to the Debian wiki, bookworm is currently the testing branch. Accordingly, I don't see how we can consider bookworm on the Pinephone to be anything more stable than testing, regardless of what it's called! The previous unstable Mobian branch repo is now supporting bookworm users, according the the Mobian blog so, good question--should bookworm be considered to be testing or unstable? I guess, in a manner, it's both. Maybe a Debian expert has a better explanation than I.

The Debian wiki explains the three branches in Debian here: https://www.debian.org/releases/

From https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting:
Debian testing is the current development state of the next stable Debian distribution. It is also made available under the code name of the next stable release, Bookworm is the current testing codename.
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#24
I think I have to make a few things clear here:
- There is no Mobian "stable" branch, as we stopped pushing updates to our "bullseye" repo due to lack of manpower
- "bookworm" is Mobian's testing branch, just like it is to Debian
- Mobian's "unstable" repo does exist and is, well, equivalent to unstable/sid; we advise people using it to stick to Debian testing/bookworm for the main repo (so the core system is somehow stable and only few potentially unstable packages are pulled in), but a full unstable setup is possible

Bottom line is, Mobian shouldn't be considered any more stable than Debian testing (currently bookworm), which is good enough for lots of people, but comes with its share of problems, such as Debian transitions sometimes breaking Mobian-hosted packages (gnome-calls and gnome-contacts being a good example).

This will improve over time as we progressively drop packages from our repo and rely on upstream Debian instead, but we're still a year or two away from a stable (as in "Debian stable") release.
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(09-20-2021, 12:08 PM)a-wai Wrote: I think I have to make a few things clear here:
- There is no Mobian "stable" branch, as we stopped pushing updates to our "bullseye" repo due to lack of manpower
- "bookworm" is Mobian's testing branch, just like it is to Debian
- Mobian's "unstable" repo does exist and is, well, equivalent to unstable/sid; we advise people using it to stick to Debian testing/bookworm for the main repo (so the core system is somehow stable and only few potentially unstable packages are pulled in), but a full unstable setup is possible

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Thank you very much, a-wai. Your explanation helps a lot!
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