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PineBook Pro revision 2.2: Wishlist for the hardware issue fixes
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(09-27-2021, 07:20 AM)jiyong Wrote: Please stop your (straw man) attack on USB-C.
I wonder why you saw it as an attack?  No, I don't; I'm being facetious, but you already know this else you wouldn't have understood my last comment.

Quote:We've heard your opinion many times now, and you also came up with false accusations.
We've heard your opinion many times now, and now you're falsely accusing me.

Quote:It was with the barrel connector that companies were able to charge ridiculous amounts for chargers, when they came up with all kind of different varieties of the barrel charger.
Non-sequitir.  I was going to point this out the last time you posited this, but I didn't want to argue.  Different shapes of "barrel connector" were not that many.  Cases where companies use odd shapes to captively sell wall warts are rare or none.  Producers either buy styles that were cheap and common, or are trying to prevent people from connecting devices of incorrect voltage.  Even if they were profiteering, they weren't doing a very good job: Universal adapters for these connectors have been plentiful for 40 years.  One could argue that they were using odd voltage for profiteering, but that is a different topic.  Pine products all use the same, common size, shape, and voltage, as far as I know.

Quote:Apple voluntarily agreed in 2018 to work towards a common connector with Samsung, LG, Sony, Lenovo, Google, etc.
Apple will probably lose a lot of money, when they can no longer charge money for third party "made for iPhone" peripherals.
It's no surprise to me that they are dragging their heels.
If they were all about doing the right thing, why didn't Apple let Samsung, LG, Sony, etc, use the existing, adequate connector, or at least improve on it in stead of making something completely different, which specifically isn't as good (durability).

Quote:The EU didn't want to mandate USB-C, they were hoping that the market would agree on a common connector after the 2018 agreement.
But it seems this is the only way to force Apple to do something they already did with the iPad, as the rest of the competitors already settled on USB-C (as agreed in 2018).
If USB-C was so vastly superiour, there would be no mandate.  EU did not do this reluctantly.  EU has some kind of agenda.  Perhaps it really is some utopian Earth-saving agenda, I don't know or care.  But there is an agenda.  The simple fact is that mandatory products are never the best products, else they wouldn't be mandatory.  This is true of everything in life.  Mandates only do things people wouldn't voluntarily do otherwise, and people in general don't do things just to be wrong.

Quote:Lightning is outdated when it comes to data transfer speed, charging capacity and connecting peripherals.
You can see that the iPad became a real competitor for laptops, when they switched from Lightning to USB-C (again, USB-C is so much more than just charging).
To say that USB-C never will is short-sighted.  The bottom line, one of the reasons why I want to keep the barrel socket, is that it does not transfer data.  (Of course, this is technically possible.  But it's reasonable to assume that barrel chargers on the market will not be transferring data.)

My reasons again for wanting to keep the barrel socket:
1) It's more durable
2) It's less proprietary (again, anyone with a lathe can make barrel plugs and sockets, who can make USB-C?)
3) It's capable of higher current, that is, higher power, without (problematic in my opinion) voltage-negotiation.
4) It doesn't transfer data.  There is no need to hack a cable to make sure that it can't transfer data.
5) It can be connected with individual conductors in an emergency.  Yes, really.  This simply can't be done with USB-A,-B,-C,-D,-whatever.
6) There isn't any licencing

Quote:How is that for fighting e-waste?
There it is.  See, there is an agenda (read excuse).  But let's not argue about that because I have a real problem with modern throw-away consumerism which is also the root problem of that paradigm.  If you really cared about e-waste, you wouldn't buy new products so you wouldn't have USB-C anyway.

I don't intend to argue anymore anyway.  We have both stated our cases and it is doubtful either of us will change each other's view.
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RE: PineBook Pro revision 2.2: Wishlist for the hardware issue fixes - by KC9UDX - 09-27-2021, 12:54 PM

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