12-20-2019, 02:14 AM
Warning: This discussion is becoming so beautiful that it's impossible for me to follow it without ending up off topic.
@undo: no in my opinion we're not in the wrong generation, what I'm trying to say is that if you're born directly at the end of a process (for example when phones and internet are already established) it's more difficult to make distinctions and grasp what's good and what's better to discard. For example, let's talk about the internet, many people think that it was a revolution because it allowed to interconnect knowledge between people far away from each other, but before the internet there were BBS! and people did the same because they understood that it was really a good thing to be able to exchange information so simpy.
What has changed? In my opinion nothing, we have more tools and more noise to manage.
The example of the books you've done seems very intelligent to me.
Usually we associate books with a good habit, as Dmytro says, the time to use a book is so slow and requires so much patience that it is difficult to associate this action with something stupid.
Because enjoying a book requires skill and training, any kind of reading can be considered a good thing, but reading can also be stupid! think about gossip, scandal magazines, erotic romance novels!
And let's talk about television, I don't own a television anymore either, maybe since more than 15 years (that's because I decided that I preferred to use the same time with a pc) but television itself is not a stupid thing! people understand and learn things through all their senses, the more senses are involved and the better they memorize things. The problem with television is that being a one-way medium, where only one entity transmits and decides and all the others passively receive, for thi reason the quality of the content has soon dropped down, so television has become a medium that is better avoided, which did not happen with books where the fruition of the medium is already difficult enough so that its users generally prefer not to waste time with stupid content.
Facebook, whatsapp and so on, are not different from irc, they are more powerful tools but they involve the same adverse interests that characterize television, and is a personal responsibility to know how to distinguish things and not get caught by the likes disease.
But from all this we can understand one thing, the more an instrument allows us to choose the more it does not compromise our freedom to decide what is best for us.
If tomorrow samsung would start building an open source phone, would it be better than Pine64? I don't think so, the hardware would be better, the availability would be better, but the lack of a self-determined community would make people lack the ability to decide for themselves and to be independent.
@undo: no in my opinion we're not in the wrong generation, what I'm trying to say is that if you're born directly at the end of a process (for example when phones and internet are already established) it's more difficult to make distinctions and grasp what's good and what's better to discard. For example, let's talk about the internet, many people think that it was a revolution because it allowed to interconnect knowledge between people far away from each other, but before the internet there were BBS! and people did the same because they understood that it was really a good thing to be able to exchange information so simpy.
What has changed? In my opinion nothing, we have more tools and more noise to manage.
The example of the books you've done seems very intelligent to me.
Usually we associate books with a good habit, as Dmytro says, the time to use a book is so slow and requires so much patience that it is difficult to associate this action with something stupid.
Because enjoying a book requires skill and training, any kind of reading can be considered a good thing, but reading can also be stupid! think about gossip, scandal magazines, erotic romance novels!
And let's talk about television, I don't own a television anymore either, maybe since more than 15 years (that's because I decided that I preferred to use the same time with a pc) but television itself is not a stupid thing! people understand and learn things through all their senses, the more senses are involved and the better they memorize things. The problem with television is that being a one-way medium, where only one entity transmits and decides and all the others passively receive, for thi reason the quality of the content has soon dropped down, so television has become a medium that is better avoided, which did not happen with books where the fruition of the medium is already difficult enough so that its users generally prefer not to waste time with stupid content.
Facebook, whatsapp and so on, are not different from irc, they are more powerful tools but they involve the same adverse interests that characterize television, and is a personal responsibility to know how to distinguish things and not get caught by the likes disease.
But from all this we can understand one thing, the more an instrument allows us to choose the more it does not compromise our freedom to decide what is best for us.
If tomorrow samsung would start building an open source phone, would it be better than Pine64? I don't think so, the hardware would be better, the availability would be better, but the lack of a self-determined community would make people lack the ability to decide for themselves and to be independent.