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  Pinebook Pro for sale in Europe - SOLD
Posted by: Wizzard - 07-05-2020, 03:55 AM - Forum: General Discussion on Pinebook Pro - Replies (15)

Hello. If someone in Europe would like to have my PBP ISO with NVMe adapter and 240 GB SSD, let me know.

I think 300 250 200 € including shipping is the fair price regarding the shipping cost, VAT, taxes and NVMe drive.

If you are interested, write here or PM me. I am located in Slovakia.


Reason of selling: I have also Teclast F6 pro which I also would like to sell and buy the new KDE Slimbook III Smile


Exclamation Pinebook Pro worst support ever
Posted by: gentux - 07-05-2020, 01:48 AM - Forum: General Discussion on Pinebook Pro - Replies (10)

Hey there,

I'm sorry to put the community in a bad mood but the customer support is just abysmal. Here's my story:

I've ordered the Pinebook Pro on January 19th and received it damaged on March 17th. Of course it gets damaged because the packaging is just a joke! there are two very thin cardboard boxes in a plastic bag!!! I can't imagine anyone got it undamaged, there is near zero edge protection!

I've contacted support and provided them with photos of the damage.
They accepted to send me a replacement display, which took until June 27th (!) to arrive.

After replacing the display, the USB seems to have failed. The input devices won't work internally or over USB I requested to send the notebook in for repair but the customer support just keeps asking for new videos. For example I've showed them how the internal keyboard and trackpad won't work, and I told them that I tried external ones.

Then they ask me to connect USB devices and show them that this doesn't work either, surely after that they want me to show how Bluetooth devices work or how serial devices don't work and so on. I'm sure they take their fun out of people getting their videos done!

I really don't like how they treat a patient customer who waited over half a year for a working product and not move their finger to really help to sort things out.

I suggest anyone who wants to get a linux laptop to not buy this but instead chose another manufacturer because here you will struggle if your hardware is not working from the day it gets shipped.

I'm pretty sure the whole laptop was damaged when I got it and should've been replaced completely. It seems to me that they just buy time until I give up.

Contrary to the claims on the shopping page, I will request a refund from PayPal, I really can expect a better support than what I've received in this case.


  Developer Guide to Port Applications to Pinephone anywhere?
Posted by: beakfire - 07-04-2020, 04:16 PM - Forum: General Discussion on PinePhone - No Replies

I'm a little curious if there is a dev guide anywhere with some information on porting applications over to pinephone.

Such as some basic information on what to change in order to compile GUI-based applications to run with Phosh on mobile?

Is there any guide with some information on this anywhere?

CLI-based is probably pretty easy, but I'm just curious about the GUI based stuff and optimizing it for the small screen.

I have a UBPorts edition so I can test stuff out Smile

Edit: I figured it out and found some resources on UBPorts if anyone has anymore sources of info to help with porting apps feel free to post some info..


  Random Vibration
Posted by: WallStreet - 07-04-2020, 01:11 PM - Forum: General Discussion on PinePhone - Replies (5)

Is anyone else's PinePhone just vibrating at random? The vibration doesn't stop until I power cycle the phone, it sometimes causes my buttons and screen to become unresponsive. I have the BH version. There is no action that causes it that I have noticed, it can start while the screen is off, opening an app, or swiping. I am on dev 71, I also had this issue a couple times while it was on stable.

Edit: UBports is the OS


  Was my order actually received? Strange site behaviour. Order went through, now out o
Posted by: Cree - 07-04-2020, 01:01 PM - Forum: General Discussion on PinePhone - Replies (1)

Hello,

I'd like to request confirmation of my order was in fact received, and if so whether the phone is being shipped soon or kept inline as a pre-order.
The reason i ask is because of some very strange behavior on your site when i ordered. The pinephone had been showing "out of stock" an i was unable to order for several days. I checked in regularly as i really wanted it. Yesterday when i checked again, it was showing in stock and allowed me to add to my cart. I was excited and ordered immediately. I placed my order and received a confirmation email. However, a couple hours later i was checking your site again and the pinephone was showing "out of stock" once more and it was again not possible to add one to my cart. 
I find this very strange for it to have suddenly been out of stock immediately after i ordered when it had only been in stock for a few hours.
I am concerned there may have been a website glitch at the time i ordered.
Could you please confirm my order was in fact legitimately received and whether there is a phone being packaged, made, or delivered for me. I dont mind if it was a pre-order but i want to make 100% sure that it went through on your end and i will in fact receive the phone.
Thank you,


  What does the ribbon cable do on the top right of board by the aux?
Posted by: Techwizz - 07-04-2020, 11:09 AM - Forum: PinePhone Hardware - Replies (1)

Hey, can anyone tell me what the ribbon cable on the top of the device by the headphone jack is for? I did the hardware mod of removing the 2 switches, to get video out, then ended up accidentally breaking the clip for a ribbon cable at the top right of the device by the aux port. I think it might control the LCD screen? I tried to fix it, although it still isn't working. I'm almost 100% sure that I got the pins in contact, so does it actually control the LCD or did I mess up somewhere else? Thanks for any help! edit: Just to clarify, when it boots the LCD screen seems to get power because you can see the backlight, but it doesn't display anything.


  Pinebook Pro feedback after a month
Posted by: nbxmike - 07-04-2020, 08:13 AM - Forum: General Discussion on Pinebook Pro - Replies (2)

Today marks the one month of use milestone for me and after posting in the initial feedback thread I thought that the designers and architects of the Pinebook Pro might like to see a little more in depth review of their creation.

Spoiler - I really like this laptop.  

My use:
I think it would be useful to understand my use patters for anyone evaluating my feedback.  I have three main uses for this laptop:

  • Commute - I travel an hour each way every day by train, commuter rail.  During that time I like to have a lightweight laptop laptop that is small enough to open while seated in the rows of seats.  A 15 inch laptop is too large to open without tilting it one or another that is inconvenient.  The 14 inch display is small enough that I can use the laptop on my lap.  While on the train I use it as a browser, reader and a video now and again.  It has sufficient power to run a 1080p video encoded with H264; I've not tried anything more taxing.
  • Work - During the day I use this as an additional screen that is mainly used for browsing, reading documentation and writing a few documents. I've also used it to draw up a PCB using Kicad and lately tried it to look over some code using Eclipse.  Other than opening up a bunch of tabs in Firefox, which most always causes a crash, I have not had any troubles; this is not a problem in Chromium.
  • Home - I use this for most home computing needs including using FreeCad to design a project case and Kicad to update a board.  I use Syncthing to keep it up to date with my other PCs.  Works fine while I stay with Chromium, again Firefox tends to lock up the PBPro.

Updates:
I've made only the following updates (other than to Manjaro) are:
  • I added a 256Gb SDCard.  I purchased the adapter to add an internal SSD, but based on the problems other's have had with compatibility as well as thinking about the potentially significant increase in power draw as well as the fact that the majority of what I need more storage for is documentation and media files that I really don't update that frequently; I decided a nice low power SDCard was a better option - cheaper too.
  • I downgraded the WiFi firmware as described in this post https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=10262
  • I resized the drive to add a 4GB swap partition in the hopes of getting sleep to work.  Sleep is not working but the partition remains.

Openness: 
The concept of a computer that is intended to be handled by the end user is great.  Who else publishes all the schematics and a disassembly guide to their laptop?  Dell/HP/Lenovo will tell you that your warranty is void if you open the cover to upgrade your drive, here we have the exact opposite.  

Linux:
While I have been a Debian devotee for years, I have found I may end up liking Arch better.  While I can find no one who has an Arch package repo that is day to day tracking development branches of software I use see that the main Arch repos are very close to latest releases.  So if I don't mind being a few weeks behind bleeding edge I don't need all the PPAs and custom repos that are common for Debian / Ubuntu.  I know I could try Debian but I usually try to devote as little time as possible working on my Linux laptops and prefer to work on my embedded systems so I like to use mainstream and it looks like Manjaro will be fine.  One problem I am having is locating printer drivers; there is less support for Arch and even less for arm64 but there are few starting places so that is my next priority.

General Hardware:
I love the light weight and so far sturdy construction of the laptop.  When  I first got the laptop the bottom was not properly attached and after removing and reseating it the fit is much better but I believe bottom is a little warped as it still pulls up a little from the lip of the case at the point where it used to stick out.  The lack of fans is great and except for dropping it on top of an upholstered seat the cover does an excellent job of getting the heat out. (Dell used to make a clip on bottom for their high end laptops to ensure there was always an air gap, that has allowed me to develop the bad habit of poor placement; this is not a request for a new feature, just an explanation why someone would ever try putting a laptop on top of upholstery.)

Display:
Yes, during boot I can see a few stuck bits on the very edge of the display, this has never been an issue for me.  The display is excellent in use, great resolution and brightness range.

Keyboard:
I am fine with the feel and size of the keyboard, though I would prefer a backlit one and would sign up for an upgrade should anyone create  one.

Trackpad:
This is the worst part of the laptop.  I have tried most suggestion on getting the trackpad to improve to no avail.  Fine motion and two finger taps are painful at best and require me to use an external trackball for any CAD work.  If there is an upgrade in the future I'd buy that too.

WiFi:
With the old firmware the 5Hgz might be slightly better, but it is still pretty poor.  I am of the mind that I will try a few replacement antennas shortly in the hopes of improving things.  This is no where near as painful as the track pad.

Power:
I cannot get my PBPro to sleep consistently, frequently when I pull it from my backpack it is quite warm and I can see that the backlight is on.  As stated, I added a swap partition in a quest to get sleep to disk  but that has not happened yet.  Also, it seems like the laptop barely charges at all while in use, it's only when I start it after charging powered down that the battery is back up.  All this aside, I've yet to run out of battery, it seems to barely draw that in my use cases.  

I hope this more in depth review is helpful to someone at Pine and if it is it might be helpful to have other more thoughtful reviews that extend past the initial unpack and power one.

In conclusion, this is the best laptop I've bought in quite a while, even with the trackpad.  If there is a future revision that addressed my issues I'll but it; I may buy one for some of my kids to use as a second commuter PC like it is for me.


  My list of noticed driver issues
Posted by: Subsentient - 07-04-2020, 03:02 AM - Forum: PinePhone Hardware - Replies (4)

So obviously things aren't complete, but I thought I'd post a list of the bugs I'm seeing with PinePhone drivers right now, since I know some PinePhone kernel developers read this forum, and hopefully some people in ModemManager and Librem5's dev team too, since I use their "Calls" app.

This doesn't include stuff like the camera, which just isn't working anymore on recent kernels.
I'm using Fedora 32 with XFCE on a 5.7 megous kernel.

  • Merely having the bluetooth kernel module loaded cripples wifi speed to an unusable point. I can get wifi working well by either not installing the firmware for the 8723cs bluetooth chip, or blacklisting the btrtl driver. Bluetooth works fine, but wifi drops down to around 30KB/s.
  • Intermittent audio routing issues with phone calls. Sometimes there's no way to get audio without rebooting the modem entirely, other times the call audio will scream in my ear at distorted, extremely high volume levels. Sometimes it happens multiple times a day, other days it behaves fine.
  • Being in CRUST sleep frequently eats text messages, not leaving a trace that they ever existed.
  • Sometimes calls will wake the phone from CRUST sleep, but not actually trigger a ring. When this starts happening, rebooting the modem doesn't help, a full phone reboot is required.
  • HDMI output over Type C has serious lag, even when the DSI touch panel is disabled. It's enough that the second hand on my digital clock can go slower than realtime.
  • Touchscreen will occasionally start refusing to act on clicks although the cursor moves, as if there's another finger touching somewhere on the display, but there's
    not. I must reboot at that point, usually via ssh.
  • Modem sends AT CMT message events that seem to trip up ModemManager during some outgoing calls, making ModemManager erroneously think the call failed, although audio will route fine. There is at that point no way to hang up a call short of powering down/rebooting the modem or the whole phone.
  • GPS reception is very poor, may be fixable with drivers or a device tree change.
  • Seems impossible to play two audio sources at once, the attempt will frequently crash both programs.
  • Battery reads 100% as 92%, though this seems specific to the megous kernels.
  • Battery will fully charge, then slowly discharge itself without charging again until I reconnect the charging cable.
Not sure on how much of this is in userspace (e.g. Xorg, ModemManager) or kernel module related.


  Will Linux on phones become as easy as PC?
Posted by: Ekterm - 07-03-2020, 06:28 PM - Forum: General Discussion on PinePhone - Replies (7)

Hello!
I've been using manjaro pretty exclusively as a daily driver on my laptop for quite a few years. I love how there is just one install image for all computers, boot it on either a brand new HP or a 10 year old Gateway it makes no difference, almost all the drivers are already there and you're immediately off and running. 

My question is, will this ever come to the arm/smartphone space?

When android came out with treble I thought it was the answer, but even phh-treble doesn't work completely on everything and my Xiaomi Mix 2S happens to be one it doesn't even boot on. Lineage is great, but eventually a phone loses support and stops receiving updates.

Will Linux phones be any different? Will there ever be just one Ubuntu Touch image that can boot up just fine on any new or old device just like desktop? When arm laptops eventually become popular, could the same image be bootable on them too? I dream of a world where I can reload my arm laptop and phone from the same flash drive.

Sorry if this is a weird question lol


  Next evolution motherboard for Pine Phone
Posted by: bcnaz - 07-03-2020, 05:59 PM - Forum: PinePhone Hardware - Replies (6)

(July 03, 2020)

Will the next evolution (V1.3) of Pine phone motherboards possibly be available as a replacement without having to wait for next release of the production phones ?
   ( or when will it be possible to get the v1.3 in a phone or as a part ? )

         Thank you


See post # 7  !