New Rockchip RK3588 In PBP Q1 2020
#1
Hello everyone,

I was wondering when this new chip will be available which claims some performance improvements but 40% less power (RK3588)

http://linuxgizmos.com/rockchips-roadmap...re-rk3588/

https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/02/01/...r-roadmap/

Specifically what interest me is 
  • NPU 2.0 (Neural Processing Unit)

  • And I would love to see 8G RAM option
@Luke do you have any general informatioN about possible stability?

Thank you 
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#2
(03-08-2020, 02:30 PM)oxoocoffee Wrote: Hello everyone,

I was wondering when this new chip will be available which claims some performance improvements but 40% less power (RK3588)

http://linuxgizmos.com/rockchips-roadmap...re-rk3588/

https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/02/01/...r-roadmap/

Specifically what interest me is 
  • NPU 2.0 (Neural Processing Unit)

  • And I would love to see 8G RAM option
@Luke do you have any general informatioN about possible stability?

Thank you 

Rockchip has already delayed production of this SoC until Q3 or Q4 of 2020 at the earliest.

Personally, I'd be very surprised to see it end up in any pine64 products until early 2022.
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#3
(03-08-2020, 03:14 PM)sundog Wrote:
(03-08-2020, 02:30 PM)oxoocoffee Wrote: Hello everyone,

I was wondering when this new chip will be available which claims some performance improvements but 40% less power (RK3588)

http://linuxgizmos.com/rockchips-roadmap...re-rk3588/

https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/02/01/...r-roadmap/

Specifically what interest me is 
  • NPU 2.0 (Neural Processing Unit)

  • And I would love to see 8G RAM option
@Luke do you have any general informatioN about possible stability?

Thank you 

Rockchip has already delayed production of this SoC until Q3 or Q4 of 2020 at the earliest.

Personally, I'd be very surprised to see it end up in any pine64 products until early 2022.

This is probably roughly accurate.
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#4
There appears to be an official announcement of the RK3588 now

https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/11/26/...-32gb-ram/

Given the announced specifications it looks like an awesome chip, I 'd love to see it as an upgrade on a new PBP, or an add in replacement(?) or even just a stand alone Pine64 SoC. However I am afraid it will take a long time before it has mainline support and free (as in freedom :p ) drivers.
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#5
Probably mainly depends on how much ARM actually supports the development of open-source Panfrost drivers for the newer generation of GPUs. Otherwise this looks like a fairly standard chip that should not take too long to see better Linux kernel support.

An upgrade board for the PBP would be definitely appreciated at some point in time Wink
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#6
We don't need new chips, we need better software support for those we already use and it's coming along nicely so far...

The community should not be split among different major hardware revisions if there's no real technological gap between those, it only undermine the work for a better software support for the hardware we got, the PBPro has very capable hardware and with the updates we're getting to mesa and the Linux kernel we're seeing performance improvements at every update... This will allow the PBPro to be become a flagship of arm hardware and thus bring people, users and contributors to this ecosystem...
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#7
Your opinion is absolutely valid. My opinion is a bit different, however. When I buy hardware then I would like to use it for 8-10 years. I have been following the progress of the pinebook pro very closely and I love this piece of technology. For me the performance is not yet there. Instead of buying the pinebook pro I decided to wait for the next generation of SBC as I am sure I will be able to use this harware for many many years without compromises on performance (for my use cases). That is why I am looking forward to the RK3588 so much.
I have serious doubts that I would be able to daily drive the RK3399 as my main computer for for the next 8 years thus I am trying to resist buying hardware with it.
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#8
(11-27-2020, 05:38 PM)Idaho Wrote: We don't need new chips, we need better software support for those we already use and it's coming along nicely so far...

The community should not be split among different major hardware revisions if there's no real technological gap between those, it only undermine the work for a better software support for the hardware we got, the PBPro has very capable hardware and with the updates we're getting to mesa and the Linux kernel we're seeing performance improvements at every update... This will allow the PBPro to be become a flagship of arm hardware and thus bring people, users and contributors to this ecosystem...
While true, RK3588 would probably have 4x the multi-core performance of RK3399, nevermind the GPU, so that seems quite worthwhile.
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#9
Similar concerns about hardware here.

I have a Pinebook Pro, I absolutely love it, and it is useful on the road.
But the 4GiB max (limited by the SoC) feel a bit anemic and is going to be to little a few years down the line.

A new SoC with at least 16GiB would be better and that's something that would require a newer gen chip, like the 35xx family.
I would definitely buy that (or buy an upgrade board if available, like the 3399 upgrade kit for Pinebook original).
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