(10-14-2020, 10:18 AM)NobodyNew1 Wrote: Let me start off by saying, I know absolutely nothing about phones and am a beginner Linux users in general. I briefly had the PMOS release, until my 11 year old nephew sits besides me on the sofa one day, sees me playing around with the phone, and then says to me, "I think I can do something with this." At the flick of the wrist, I handed the phone over. He's 11, smarter than me and there was something in his tone that was believable. Plus, he is the future and possibly now part of Linux's future.I actually enjoyed reading your post. so, thanks for writing it. I think many of us think like you. We love this project, we admire the developers, we cannot believe this is done by volunteers,... yes pretty awesome and it makes one happy being part of it. It is an adventure and it can fail as other Linux phone projects failed before. Maybe wasn't the time then, and it is now... who knows...
I've read all 7 pages of this and still today processed an order for the Manjaro edition. Maybe I'm crazy, maybe I want a Linux phone so bad that I don't want to accept that this might only be for Dev's and a tinker toy for people. But, I try and think of ( what I think is a short time ) the short time this phone has been around and where it is now. I also try and think that it's all being handled by voluntaries. Also, didn't pine64 say they have a 5 year investment in this or something like that ? If I look at all that, that gives me hope that this phone will work one day or maybe not. Maybe the Pinephone will die and Librem succeeds or they both fail, but maybe in the death of those two phones there will be a birth of another Linux phone.
I get the frustration of everyone, and foresee my own as simply wanting a phone that can call and txt. I don't use any apps or social media and have de-googled my world as much as humanly possible. I know this post doesn't contribute to anything here and probably shouldn't be written here, but after reading through these 7 pages, I had to or wanted to say something.
My simple words of support through all of the frustration is, atleast we all have ones of these phones, atleast we have a group of dev's that put their own personal time in to work on this project, and atleast we have each other to bitch to, to help, to learn from, and in the end possible grow from this project. I know it doesn't change the fact it's not a completely working phone, but atleast something came from it and lets not through in the towel, let us push forward !!!
Thanks
About the Librem5 I was very surprised to learn that it is not functional either. Man, not the same paying $150 for a pinephone than $750 for a librem5 that cannot be used...
(10-15-2020, 07:58 AM)LinAdmin2 Wrote: I agree with amosbatto that pine64.org hits some hard limits trying to get a usable software by an unguided community. Hiring themselves software experts might be difficult because most probably they lack the competence to make good selections.
IMHO paying $10 per phone of a special release as it was done with the postmarketOS and is planned with manjaro for next batch does not look like an optimal approach.
I would be interested to hear who got how much of the postmarketOS batch. I had heard it was $ 50'000 and if this is true I must say that I am disappointed because that software did not fulfill the expectations.
It remains to be seen by end of year if manjaro can solve the problem....
Agree, however, the OS postmarket shipment was before getting the money. If the money has any effect on the OS should be from now on. Also to say, not sure how 50K can help. I see more to compensate efforts. In the US this would be a low salary for 1 person. In Europe maybe you can pay the salary of two people (probably not, after they also should pay taxes, health care plans, etc). But my feeling is that this will be split amongst many contributors. So in the end not too much help, just a thank you to many. Any idea of how the money is spent?
(10-15-2020, 05:59 PM)hiimtye Wrote:Ok @hiintye and @bcnaz I think when some people say they are using PP as a daily driver and others say they don't they might be doing the same thing.(10-15-2020, 05:35 PM)bcnaz Wrote: Just a note :I find myself doing this also, only I use the second phone with wifi only, a cheap ZTE that has a cracked screen that works for email and facebook messenger
While I do use the Pine phone(s) as my main phone(s)
I do also carry a cheap-o old message phone ...
My family & friends call first to the Pine phone, but they also have the back-up number if it is needed.
Not everyone can do this, obviously.
Not only is this "safer" but it also is a way to know when/or if the Pine phone fails.
I also carry my PP and my iPhone. I try to call and get calls with my PP, but I am not saying it is my daily driver bc I cannot trust it and I have to carry the devil apple with me too.
However, you are doing the same but you are saying it is your daily driver because the other phone is a crappy one.
I am not attacking you, I just want to make the point of how people define a daily driver. For me should be a phone you use daily and you trust. Bringing another phone that you really trust (expensive, cheap, or cracked screen doesn't matter) makes that second phone your truly daily driver, not the PP.
