Play along - create a PinePhone keyboard

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You are joke not me. Look at old forum https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=7900& and UX50 sony. Old palmtop it have 54 keys (and one rotor, space, hole for rope, sound adjust etc.) and is smalest 2.5 times. No problem add metal 108 keys to pine phone too.
You just can't imagine that there are people using other alphabets :-) This is not racism, but rather a lack of imagination. These people must be very tired. Including me. ;(

I gave you an example of a real device that is comfortable and works. PinePhone sets standards, but these are hacker standards. Not corporate.

That's why people like these products so much. Because hackers do something they always wanted to have. Nobody designs terminal computers today. SSH ? nobody uses this.

I use, and many people need normal keyboard for working trought ssh.

<joke>And what do you suggest? 50 keys? But the computer only distinguishes between zero and one !</joke>

The UX-50 is narrower than the Pinephone, but deeper. We're talking about a slide-out keyboard here. If we have 85% of the useable area of the Clié we would be lucky. So 50 keys on a Pinephone slide-out seems quite reasonable when looking at 55 on the Clié.

The UX50 has a smaller surface area when folded than the entire pinephone. So something doesn't match your dimensions. Why not buy a ruler and check it out? One of us can't count.

What do you mean by other alphabets'? I've visited Greece and the Soviet Union back in the day.

Greeks by the way use standard US ASCII keyboards with added Greek letters on the key caps and switch between Latin and Greek modes. So I don't think the additional Greek letters would be even that popular in Greece.

I'm from Poland and have 32 char. The French https://www.omniglot.com/writing/french.htm have more characters, and the Spanish even have question marks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_keyboard , korean

Whatever you want, you're citing a keyboard that doesn't exist. You say they're all the same. Compare what keys are missing on a keyboard to a tablet, what keys are missing on other manufacturers' keyboards. It's just hard to talk when you can't see that most keyboards have different numbers of keys.

Let's make an external or internal keyboard, but one that's comfortable. For everyone not only for you.

When you say real device, do you mean you have used that layout at a size comparable to a Pinephone? I would be really interested to see that.

I like the design of the keyboard you propose, but Pine64 is going to produce one keyboard for the entire world and just from a purely economical point of view I highly doubt they will put their money on a Polish/Czech/Greek hybrid keyboard. Regarding ergonomics: I'm pretty sure I can type faster and more comfortable (even unusual characters) on a keyboard with 50 small keys and additional modifier keys than on one with 108 tiny keys.

Everyone will have to make some compromises, we'll be happy if we get some combining accents with Alt Gr combinations.

Why do you need 108 keys to use SSH? I don't understand that part at all.

And how many keys do you need to operate ssh?
I showed the smallest set of characters. National characters + punctuation marks + special characters.
The function keys (and much at the top) can extend on the opposite side. There are a lot of ideas.

https://ibb.co/XLTjmYB

Compromises should not affect the keys you use most often. I write about letters.

Many countries have more characters than in English. Luke encouraged to give different ideas. To be open. Today no keyboard is hacker-friendly. If we're going to do something new, let's do it properly. That way you don't have to change it in 20 years.

The layout may be arbitrary, but the number of keys would be fixed. The amount of information. (Functional lights up like a capslock mark etc.)

P.S. Sorry. my english are ugly and i dont know how cleary is my transmision, but today. No exist one standard of keyboard. Every keyboard are not good for programmers, hackers, geek. Meybe in 21 century is time to change this. In Pine Phone, in PineBook, in Tablet or in separate keyboard project.