02-01-2023, 05:41 PM
"But perhaps I get you wrong somehow?"
I agree with the points you made, but I did say I have a FEW suggestions and the 2nd one isn't worth mentioning if the first one, a battery life friendly OS, isn't possible.
Looked into the Genode OS link you posted and as of early Jan 2023, they're currently beta testing their latest PinePhone image among themselves before publicly posting. Based on the screen grabs and details, their micro kernel looks promising considering they've been working on their PP version for awhile.
"(but I would add "hardware quality" as another point - the most important one)"
Can't do anything about the hardware and given supply interruptions, Pine64 likely can't do much in the short term either. My most important one is the concern that PP actually gets things going and then gets deplatformed from carriers.
"So why use a Linux phone/Pine64 product at all if it only should behave like an old Nokia?"
Assuming the best case scenario that Genode OS delivers a "MID-Phone" to achieve my first suggestion, my second suggestion is for PP to take advantage of the PP LoRa back end case add on ( https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-pin...d-on-case/ ) to form a P2P mesh network that can bypass carriers for privacy, freedom, etc.
I'm a fan of the Reticulum project that's currently doing this with Android for text messages:
https://unsigned.io/guides/2023_01_19_RN...droid.html
It's open source and it's been discussed that it can be ported to PP. It has the potential to be larger than Meshtastic by cross platform linking up Androids, Laptops, (PP's?), and Ham Radio running their RNode setup.
There are python based laptop programs that allow people to make calls and if this can be ported to a Reticulum/Genode OS setup without irking battery power too much, then you've got a PinePhone without the need for a carrier.
And that's the kind of real innovation worthy of Linux instead of trying to play catch up with Android and iPhone all the time.
If the Reticulum option is a no go (too difficult, can't manage a collaboration, etc.), there's always building out a lesser network using the mesh p2p designed by JF (mentioned on the PP LoRa product page).
I agree with the points you made, but I did say I have a FEW suggestions and the 2nd one isn't worth mentioning if the first one, a battery life friendly OS, isn't possible.
Looked into the Genode OS link you posted and as of early Jan 2023, they're currently beta testing their latest PinePhone image among themselves before publicly posting. Based on the screen grabs and details, their micro kernel looks promising considering they've been working on their PP version for awhile.
"(but I would add "hardware quality" as another point - the most important one)"
Can't do anything about the hardware and given supply interruptions, Pine64 likely can't do much in the short term either. My most important one is the concern that PP actually gets things going and then gets deplatformed from carriers.
"So why use a Linux phone/Pine64 product at all if it only should behave like an old Nokia?"
Assuming the best case scenario that Genode OS delivers a "MID-Phone" to achieve my first suggestion, my second suggestion is for PP to take advantage of the PP LoRa back end case add on ( https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-pin...d-on-case/ ) to form a P2P mesh network that can bypass carriers for privacy, freedom, etc.
I'm a fan of the Reticulum project that's currently doing this with Android for text messages:
https://unsigned.io/guides/2023_01_19_RN...droid.html
It's open source and it's been discussed that it can be ported to PP. It has the potential to be larger than Meshtastic by cross platform linking up Androids, Laptops, (PP's?), and Ham Radio running their RNode setup.
There are python based laptop programs that allow people to make calls and if this can be ported to a Reticulum/Genode OS setup without irking battery power too much, then you've got a PinePhone without the need for a carrier.
And that's the kind of real innovation worthy of Linux instead of trying to play catch up with Android and iPhone all the time.
If the Reticulum option is a no go (too difficult, can't manage a collaboration, etc.), there's always building out a lesser network using the mesh p2p designed by JF (mentioned on the PP LoRa product page).