(09-15-2020, 02:38 AM)neil_swann80 Wrote: I'm new to Linux, but already love what it stands for. I did a little (really not much at all) research into the Pinephone before ordering, from that limited research I understood this device was a work in progress. I ordered it not because of where the software development is, but where I hope its (and appears to be) heading. I wanted a reason to learn Linux and I love to tinker; I wanted to support what I see as a healthier direction for mobile technology.
@LinAdmin @LinAdmin2... please conduct a little introspection on your expectations and motives here. I do not think you are being fair to this community or Pine64 at all. If you are not willing to take responsibility for your own choices, to elevate your own understanding, to contribute to a community, I doubt the Linux environment is suitable for you.
When pine64.org, a registered company under the laws of Honkong, sells a product in their internet shop, saying that
Quote:This is a [b]PinePhone[/b][b] Community Edition[/b] featuring [b]postmarketOS [/b]mobile Linux operating system. It is a limited edition of the PinePhone aimed primarily at PosmarketOS community members. The core purpose of this campaign is to provide hardware capable of running mainline Linux to members of the community so that postmarketOS developers can benefit from feedback and code contributions to their project. The preinstalled postmarketOS software build which ships with this edition of the PinePhone is an Alpha software build. This effectively mean that while core functionality of the PinePhone – such as telephone calls, SMS messages, LTE, GPS, GPU acceleration, etc. – [i]is[/i] operational, it is also an ongoing effort, and thus the device cannot be considered as a consumer-ready product.then they do have the legal obligation that what they cite "_is_ operational" MUST work. BTW, nobody down-voting me pretended that the software delivered was operational as an ordinary phone!
You and all the crowd of enthusiasts that pleased to make my life a misery seem not to aware of the most basic trade laws.
@SwordfishII
Quote:I very much disagree with this.
Linux is much more ram friendly than windows and Android.
I still use an original eeepc 701 with debian on it I also still use an open pandora which runs angstrom and can emulate saturn/dreamcast and down.
Both are capable machines still with less than 3GB of ram.
As always though use case matters. Gimp and blender are probably out for the pinephone. Dev, browsing, ssh, media etc will work just fine.
I very much disagree with your reply.
I did not pretend that Linux uses more RAM than Windows or Android, that's just in your fantasy
But I upheld my fact based opinion that 3GB of RAM prevents it's use as a desktop replacement. That kind of replacement requires attachment of a normal PC screen via the HDMI and the USB-dock and an ordinary keyboard.
Even without using Gimp and Blender it will require quite a lot of care. I speak from my own experience with a desktop PC with 4G of RAM where firefox likes to eat it all up until the system freezes .
Other common applications like LibreOffice also expect quite some RAM.
I won't deny that some carefully selected programs can run on Pinephone, but that can NOT be called a genuine desktop replacement!!!