(04-09-2022, 01:36 PM)magdesign Wrote:(04-09-2022, 10:28 AM)tckosvic Wrote: Chime in with your experience. Have you put PPP aside, with discouragement, until problems get sorted out and straight forward solutions are available or are you using it?
tom kosvic
There are 10 distros available for PPP with 3 different UI's (KDE, Phosh, SXMO),
none of them is really working for anything,
it is very time consuming to figure out if something is broken by OS, by Kernel or by UI.
Its even harder to find out where to place a bug report or to get the info that the bug is known.
I do not know what pine64 is doing (except promoting product features which are not there, yet),
all I know is that there are a handful people working on some stuff, but its a huge disadvantage that there is no lead distro with some lead devs, no roadmap etc.
Don't get me wrong, I love the concept of the Linux phone, the keyboard case, the convergence mode, the foss, but I do not know how to debug spi, kernel or write drivers... so its a bit a waste of time.... sometimes I am compiling stuff to check if it runs (and chat with the devs if it does not), which is cool, but what's going on with GPS, with mobile data, with sleep mode, with GSM?
It would be so great to have some kind of board on top of this forum, where we can see what is working, what not, which things are on the roadmap, which coders are working on what and how we can support them, what we could test and report and so on....
I highly highly highly disagree with that, because it is based on a multitude of wrong assumptions. The main wrong assumption is the "if we just pull on one string together" assumption, which is assuming that if people work on a single project instead of what they want to the project gets further. That assumption is demonstrably false. Devs work on the project they are interested in, there is no compulsion (either legally through employment contracts or through slavery) to force people to work on specific projects in their free and unpaid time.
The second wrong assumption is that information is self-producing. It is not, you need people to write down information. Incomplete documentation is always an issue in FOSS projects and this can't be solved by forcing developers to write it instead of to write code (see point 1), instead it is solved by contributing the documentation (yourself).
The third thing I disagree with is the statement that it is a disadvantage. Instead the development is quite healthy at this state and things are progressing and bugs are solved over time. Especially documenting volatile bugs at this very early state (mind the early adopters batch status) is a treadmill of work so for most people it is the best option to wait until the major bugs are ironed out, if they are not contributors. The main actual issues (in contrast to the claimed issues) are instead a lack of contributors (including maybe you?), so stuff takes some time until it is working or is ordered and documented somewhere. I invite you to join one of the projects and to ask them what you can help them with, because any help is needed and because distorted views about how the development takes place (and should take place) can be prevented in that case.
(04-09-2022, 10:28 AM)tckosvic Wrote: I perceive a marked dropoff in activity regarding new threads and replies in this forum over last week or so. I think that people are losing interest in trying to solve seemingly unsolvable problems that just go on and on and are losing interest. Or, it could be that people have solved all the multitudinous issues and are happily using their phones. I am interested to know which it is?
Personally, my PPP does not now make calls. It did for a while. If it can't make calls, I don't consider it a cell phone. My problem is either with the sim/sd card holder or the modem hardware or software as far as I can diagnose. I can take the sim card out of my PPP and put it in PP and that phone makes calls fine. I tend to think the problem is with the sim/sd holder and not the modem. I've changed OS/desktop software so much I don't think it is modem software causing the issue. Modem hardware I have no information regarding diagnosis. Also, I can't get a replacement part for the sim/sd card holder to examine that as a solution to not making calls.
Chime in with your experience. Have you put PPP aside, with discouragement, until problems get sorted out and straight forward solutions are available or are you using it?
tom kosvic
tckosvic, I strongly suggest you to get hold of some log files. Especially with the FOSS modem firmware the possibility to debug issues is quite well. I have a feeling that your current approach of looking into the issue is quite narrow and you're stepping on the same place for now. I strongly suggest you to join the bridged community chat channels once again, https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/Main_Page#Chat_Platforms. Exchange of ideas, some development and questions and answers takes place more than here in the small forum bubble.