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Pinebook Pro with RK3588? - tantamount - 06-23-2023
I noticed that the Orange Pi 5 is using the RK3588 and it is benchmarking nicely:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1677199
Is there going to be a Pinebook Pro based on this faster chip?
The current RK3399 is only slightly faster than the Raspberry Pi's CPU.
Also, without HDMI output the laptop is less useful than a regular laptop.
RE: Pinebook Pro with RK3588? - KC9UDX - 06-23-2023
You can't get HDMI video? I can't yet, I run NetBSD. But I thought you could adapt the USB-C to HDMI. I gotta say, i think requiring video output for a laptop of all things is a little silly.
RE: Pinebook Pro with RK3588? - tantamount - 06-24-2023
(06-23-2023, 02:58 PM)KC9UDX Wrote: I gotta say, i think requiring video output for a laptop of all things is a little silly.
That's like saying it's silly for cars to have four wheels. The vast majority of people want video output on a laptop. Not having it is a deal breaker.
RE: Pinebook Pro with RK3588? - KC9UDX - 06-24-2023
More to me its like saying a car should have a kitchen. Sure, some might find it useful, but why not cook at home or go to a restaurant?
RE: Pinebook Pro with RK3588? - WEF - 06-24-2023
I dont think it is much to expect that HDMI out would eventually work given that pine sells a docking station with an HDMI port. Which actually used to work for a second monitor, i used exactly that for about 6 months when i got my PBP and docking station. It stopped working after an update and i continue to hope that this will work at some point.
If you buy the add on kitchen option, shouldn't you expect the oven will work?
The same issue applys to the Pinetab2 which i am using the docking station for ethernet, external monitor through HDMI does not work there either.
RE: Pinebook Pro with RK3588? - tantamount - 06-27-2023
(06-24-2023, 06:09 PM)WEF Wrote: I dont think it is much to expect that HDMI out would eventually work given that pine sells a docking station with an HDMI port. Which actually used to work for a second monitor, i used exactly that for about 6 months when i got my PBP and docking station. It stopped working after an update and i continue to hope that this will work at some point.
If you buy the add on kitchen option, shouldn't you expect the oven will work?
The same issue applys to the Pinetab2 which i am using the docking station for ethernet, external monitor through HDMI does not work there either.
Sounds like you might need to compile your own kernel or modules to get it to work again.
Speaking more generally:
I think people want HDMI output on a laptop because laptop screens are small and can be hard to look at. External displays are better for the eyes and neck.
The RK3399 SoC chip which is inside the Pinebook Pro provides an HDMI output signal.
Here's the RK3399 data sheet which proves it: https://opensource.rock-chips.com/images/d/d7/Rockchip_RK3399_Datasheet_V2.1-20200323.pdf
They just didn't provide the port. The HDMI jack costs maybe $0.25.
RE: Pinebook Pro with RK3588? - KC9UDX - 06-27-2023
But why buy a laptop only to use an external monitor? Wouldn't it be better to buy a RockPro64? You'll end up with a better keyboard and mouse; and better device placement. Better cooling, hence better performance, and better expandability.
Surely it costs more than 25¢ to put an HDMI socket on the PBP. But even if cost is no object, I'm sure the designers didn't expect most users would use an HDMI port. And having video output on the USB-C connector should work for the few people that need it. It's unfortunate that NetBSD doesn't have it yet and Linux doesn't have it anymore. But again, probably whomever removed support for it figured not many people were using it.
RE: Pinebook Pro with RK3588? - tantamount - 06-27-2023
(06-27-2023, 09:28 AM)KC9UDX Wrote: But why buy a laptop only to use an external monitor?
Surely it costs more than 25¢ to put an HDMI socket on the PBP. But even if cost is no object, I'm sure the designers didn't expect most users would use an HDMI port. And having video output on the USB-C connector should work for the few people that need it. It's unfortunate that NetBSD doesn't have it yet and Linux doesn't have it anymore. But again, probably whomever removed support for it figured not many people were using it.
In North America, people prefer laptops so that they can move around with them when they need to, which is often. But at home, some people have external monitors to ease the eye/neck strain.
In the US, an overpriced HDMI jack is $1.72. But I expect in Huaqiangbei one could buy a bag of 50 for that price.
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/cnc-tech/2000-1-2-41-00-BK/4867012
So who then is designing the Pinebook Pro? Surely it isn't being outsourced to Compal.
RE: Pinebook Pro with RK3588? - KC9UDX - 06-27-2023
But at home do people move their large monitors around with them when they need to, which is often?
I mean, if you can afford a laptop, and the PBP is good enough, you can afford an ARM SBC to tape to the back of the large monitor.
Is it too much to ask to buy a docking station? I have a pretty elaborate one for the only other laptop I've owned. In fact I have three docking stations for it. They have DVI connectors, but then, the laptop does have a VGA connector. I don't think I ever used either. I always used the inbuilt display when it was docked. I wonder what a USB-C to HDMI adaptor cable costs.
If you can add an HDMI port to the PBP for $17.20, surely you'd just do it. That's what I would do if I found it necessary. One of the nice things about these is the schematics are freely available.
I'd really be interested in the Pinebook ProII if only it had RCA jacks for audio and maybe DIN MIDI built in.
I carry a Schweitzer Taschenmeßer everywhere I go. I could chop an onion with it, every time I needed to, I guess.
RE: Pinebook Pro with RK3588? - tantamount - 06-28-2023
(06-27-2023, 02:06 PM)KC9UDX Wrote: If you can add an HDMI port to the PBP for $17.20, surely you'd just do it. That's what I would do if I found it necessary. One of the nice things about these is the schematics are freely available.
No, I want it built-in, as do most people. You haven't offered a compelling argument as to why it shouldn't be.