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RE: Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard - feedback please! - halosghost - 07-18-2019
(07-17-2019, 05:36 PM)Luke Wrote: 1) ANSI keyboard - \| above return
Hell yes!
Quote:2) ANSI and ISO keyboards - Del key placed next to Alt Gr and <- arrow key. No right Ctrl.
I don't love this (again, I'd prefer to have rctrl there and have del either added to the fn row or be soft in fn+backspace).
Having said that, I will be perfectly happy so long as it can be remapped
All the best,
-HG
RE: Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard - feedback please! - msquared - 07-19-2019
(07-12-2019, 06:36 PM)chithanh Wrote: It would be good if the keyboard bezel can accommodate either ISO or ANSI layout. So you can buy the other type and install it without having to replace the whole topcase.
About the del key, I prefer to have it separate in the function key row. If the function keys become narrower as a result, I don't mind.
Something like this:
![[Image: keyboard.jpg]](https://www.notebookcheck.com/fileadmin/Notebooks/Acer/TravelMate_Spin_B1_118-RN-P6BE/keyboard.jpg)
Things I like about the layout in the original news post:
- FN+ up/down for Page up/down (common to other laptops I regularly use)
- FN+ left/right for Home/End (common to other laptops I regularly use)
- Ctrl between ALT and Left
- Del above Backspace
- The location of Page up and Page down (I prefer the one in the original news post, but this one is also OK)
- Move the power button elsewhere (I think that having the power key so close to keys I use frequently is a hazard)
- Move the Del key to the place previously occupied by power key (this matches other laptop keyboards I commonly use)
RE: Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard - feedback please! - msquared - 07-19-2019
(07-12-2019, 02:00 PM)Luke Wrote: Hey everyone,
We'd like your feedback on desired key placement on the Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard.
We are currently considering the following:
Suggestions, ideas and alternatives welcome!
- \| key above return key
- Del key is Fn + backspace
- Right Ctrl key placed at right Alt and <- arrow
Whoops, I forgot in my other comment to indicate that I like the \| key above the return key (single-row return key, that is) but I'm not a fan of FN+Backspace for Delete. I definitely prefer CTRL between ALT and <- versus putting Delete there.
RE: Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard - feedback please! - msquared - 07-19-2019
(07-12-2019, 02:00 PM)Luke Wrote: Hey everyone,
We'd like your feedback on desired key placement on the Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard.
We are currently considering the following:
Suggestions, ideas and alternatives welcome!
- \| key above return key
- Del key is Fn + backspace
- Right Ctrl key placed at right Alt and <- arrow
Will this keyboard have full-size 19mm horizontal key pitch? This is at least as important to me as the layout; maybe even more-so. Some aspects of the layout can be tweaked in software, but you can't convert a "compact-layout" keyboard into a "full-size-layout" keyboard with software alone.
I've found that even a keyboard with 18.5mm key pitch throws me off. 
RE: Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard - feedback please! - Luke - 07-19-2019
Ok, so based on your feedback the follwoing decision was made:
[edit] 1) concerns ANSI
1)\| above return
2) Right Ctrl stays
3) Fn + Backspace = Del
Thanks for the feedback!
RE: Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard - feedback please! - Kochise - 07-19-2019
(07-17-2019, 05:36 PM)Luke Wrote: OK so 24 hours until the choice gets locked down.
Here is what we have:
1) ANSI keyboard - \| above return
2) ANSI and ISO keyboards - Del key placed next to Alt Gr and <- arrow key. No right Ctrl.
Everyone happy with this?
Seems fair, it's still a 14" compact keyboard. Could it be possible to have "blank" keys with stickers so that we can map them the way we want ? That's way no more hurdle to sell it for everyone's taste.
RE: Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard - feedback please! - Luke - 07-19-2019
(07-19-2019, 09:39 AM)Kochise Wrote:(07-17-2019, 05:36 PM)Luke Wrote: OK so 24 hours until the choice gets locked down.
Here is what we have:
1) ANSI keyboard - \| above return
2) ANSI and ISO keyboards - Del key placed next to Alt Gr and <- arrow key. No right Ctrl.
Everyone happy with this?
Seems fair, it's still a 14" compact keyboard. Could it be possible to have "blank" keys with stickers so that we can map them the way we want ? That's way no more hurdle to sell it for everyone's taste.
We're exploring something to this effect. This, however, depends on users being able to use the kb firmware reprogramming utility on their own - so we're working toward getting that sorted and user-friendly. More info in due time.
RE: Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard - feedback please! - agD0i7rY - 07-19-2019
I like this idea
RE: Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard - feedback please! - msquared - 07-19-2019
(07-19-2019, 10:10 AM)Luke Wrote:(07-19-2019, 09:39 AM)Kochise Wrote: Could it be possible to have "blank" keys with stickers so that we can map them the way we want ? That's way no more hurdle to sell it for everyone's taste.
We're exploring something to this effect. This, however, depends on users being able to use the kb firmware reprogramming utility on their own - so we're working toward getting that sorted and user-friendly. More info in due time.
Oooh, I like this idea!
RE: Pinebook Pro ANSI keyboard - feedback please! - Kochise - 07-20-2019
(07-19-2019, 10:10 AM)Luke Wrote: We're exploring something to this effect. This, however, depends on users being able to use the kb firmware reprogramming utility on their own - so we're working toward getting that sorted and user-friendly. More info in due time.
Then at least make available some preprogrammed configurations (QWERTY, AZERTY, ...) but also a menu for custom configuration for advanced users. Thanks for considering my inputs.