(02-13-2021, 12:37 PM)TRS-80 Wrote:

(02-13-2021, 06:10 AM)nodoze Wrote: iMX-8M

Choosing iMX-8 is why people who gave Purism $600 (or whatever) all the way back in 2017/2018 are just now beginning to receive their phones.  Let that sink in . jpg

(02-13-2021, 06:10 AM)nodoze Wrote: I am all for low cost development options with minimal/slower RAM and cheaper initial components but wish the PinePhone wasn't locked into such low specs with no upgrade path and no options for increased specs.

I think "locked in" is a quite hyperbolic statement.  I also was happy to get 3/32 option (coming from Samsung s5 with 2/16) so I also do not know where you get "no options for increased specs"?  And the platform (Linux phones, I mean) is very, very young.  Who knows what may come in future?

I for one appreciate the strategy Pine have taken.  Linux phones have a long way to go before they are ready for Normies to use them as daily driver.  Therefore get as many of them into the hands of people to tinker / dev and improve the state of the platform overall.  I am actually thankful Pine have given us inexpensive alternative to Librem 5 because it means I can actually get one in my hands and start helping advance the state of Linux phones sooner rather than later.  And not just me but many other people, too.

(02-13-2021, 02:38 PM)gamerminstrel Wrote: I am by no means an expert, but the way I see it, the pinephone's hardware choices were made so they could be made available in such a larger scale, at an affordable price when anything better would just be $$$$$ and would run too hot or used closed-source blobs.

By the time better hardware becomes available, enough software advancements will have been made so that this current pinephone will run like a champ. My hunch is that the pinephone 2 in maybe 3-5 years will be able to take advantage of all the progress right out of the gate on top of beefier hardware specs, so it will feel like a true generational jump in improvement.

Just give it time, but once maybe Manjaro or Mobian have stabilized/improved enough, I do think even some 3D indy games could be officially ported to (or even made for) pinephone.

(02-13-2021, 06:10 AM)nodoze Wrote:

(02-13-2021, 04:49 AM)AndrewBlackmiller Wrote: On one hand because stronger usually means more expensive ...and on the other hand I think we have to do something against these "planned obsolescence" problem.

If we use our resources - a mobile phone for instance - with more care we safe our environment in the long term and a lot of money in the short term -> win -win situation
For instance - would you buy a new car if just by doing a service it will run as fast as new?

Trust me, I know what's possible just by doing the right Software-Optimizations, because I've done this in the past many times on my dally job.
You wouldn't believe what's possible

And maybe you guys can add some further ideas to move forward in that direction?

Best regards from Vienna,
Andrew >:o)

This is the 'Pinephone Hardware' subforum;
I will gladly use the 'Pinephone Software' subforum to make any Software Optimization recommendations I have there.

I won't be going into the 'Pinephone Software' subforum and telling threads that are pursuing software solutions &/or alternatives that hardware is the only acceptable question to be asked nor that Hardware is the only answer.

Some of us want to do things with Linux Phones that the Pinephone will never be able to do because of the hardware limitations no matter how well you optimize the software.  Some of us want true convergence and want to be able to do advanced containers, virtualization, & more which do require software but also require hardware that is expandable and it is not just about the Central Processing Unit (CPU) core speed...

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(02-15-2021, 02:11 PM)AndrewBlackmiller Wrote: So lets stop talking about "powerful hardware" if we just have to kick the Bits to do their job faster ))

(02-16-2021, 04:35 AM)Lord Windy Wrote: The Pinephone is more than powerful enough. I've been using a variant of the Awesome desktop on the phone and it is running more than fast enough for me.  It was the Gnome and KDE desktop environments that I've had the issue with. That has been brought up by basically everyone at this point.

(02-16-2021, 04:35 AM)Lord Windy Wrote: I've been using a variant of the Awesome desktop on the phone and it is running more than fast enough for me.

(10-08-2021, 11:39 AM)lacriz Wrote:

(02-16-2021, 04:35 AM)Lord Windy Wrote: I've been using a variant of the Awesome desktop on the phone and it is running more than fast enough for me.

Hi,
I would very much like to try the awesome desktop. Do you mean this here? https://awesomewm.org/

I am currently using arch + phosh, do you think I could replace phosh with the 'variant of the awesome desktop' you mentioned?