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RE: Corporate Responsiblity - Luke - 05-23-2016
(05-23-2016, 05:17 PM)psychedup Wrote:(05-23-2016, 11:39 AM)RichT Wrote: The fact that I could just go get a Pine64 off eBay while I'm waiting forever for my own genuine order rankles somewhat.
Only if you want to spend more than twice as much.
Unless you mean this beauty which I'm now thinking of getting.
I agree. Nice handle
RE: Corporate Responsiblity - JCMPine64 - 05-23-2016
I'll never understand why people get their knickers in such a twist over a delay in a Kickstarter campaign. Or even a failed Kickstarter. We're all adults here - do some rudimentary research and/or thinking before you back a project. Ya pays your money, ya takes your chances. Of course they're going to present a rosy picture in the campaign. Of course they're going to overestimate their capabilities and time-frames. It happens all the time, even with large, experienced companies. It's called optimism and marketing. Does anyone really believe that anything is ironclad when dealing with a shoestring startup?
Pine64 is late for some people. So what? Were you planning on building a life-altering product that will be obsolete if the Pine64 is delayed by a couple of months? If so, you had a stupid plan. Or are you frustrated that somebody else got their board first and therefore think it's OK to throw a tantrum? Does anyone think there's any malfeasance going on here? Or even disinterest or laziness on the developers' part?
C'mon people, get some perspective. Come down off the watchtower. You'll get your board. The OSes will improve. It's an experiment and an adventure. Enjoy the ride.
RE: Corporate Responsiblity - aegrotatio - 06-08-2016
It's a Kickstarter. There are no guarantees but if the campaign does fail (which it has not) you do get your money back.
You do not get your frustration and time back, but that's true with any product, "corporate" or not.
And I'd like to hear how anyone got the idea that some sort of "corporation" (besides Kickstarter itself) is involved with the PINE64. I must have missed something.
RE: Corporate Responsiblity - gwizard - 06-08-2016
Backing a project on Kickstarter is akin to investment, not a purchase.
When you go to a store and buy a product, you get it at once and there is no risk involved.
When you invest in something, there is a certain risk associated and it is entirely possible you can loose your investment either fully or partially. In essence, this is the same as playing the stock market. Some may win, some may loose.
Personally, I've finally received (yesterday) my Pine (IoT package), but without the case and zwave. There was a small note saying these would ship a few weeks later. I've no issues with that.
Took a few hours to realize my monitor has an HDMI-DVI adapter and that's why I see black. At first I thought the board might be dead. But, then I re-flashed Debian on to the official SD card, connected to both HDMI TV and Ethernet and everything now works as expected (more or less). Even managed to install Plex and make my TV built in DLNA client connect to it.
What I'm trying to say is that while shit does happen, this is not the case. These guys do deliver and the product is good. Just need to be patient and not take anything for granted. I find it is a good general rule for life as well.
I know the project is very young, but...
Things to improve:
1. User Manual. With pictures. For dummies.
Because not all people are Linux gurus or have electronics related training.
2. Better software.
Coherent Linux distros. Pre-built images with drivers and everything working OOB.
3. More modules.
Servo motors, PWM's, accelerometers, gyros, 3G/4G, GPS, etc...
Because if I can make a freaking R/C robot with an arduino or a pi, I should be able to do the same with pine.
This was meant as business suggestion, not a critique. Making these modules available and work well OOB (TESTING!!!) would enlarge the potential market and take this project from a small geek initiative to a stratosphere.
Just my 0.02
Cheers
RE: Corporate Responsiblity - tllim - 06-09-2016
(06-08-2016, 08:36 PM)gwizard Wrote: Backing a project on Kickstarter is akin to investment, not a purchase.
When you go to a store and buy a product, you get it at once and there is no risk involved.
When you invest in something, there is a certain risk associated and it is entirely possible you can loose your investment either fully or partially. In essence, this is the same as playing the stock market. Some may win, some may loose.
Personally, I've finally received (yesterday) my Pine (IoT package), but without the case and zwave. There was a small note saying these would ship a few weeks later. I've no issues with that.
Took a few hours to realize my monitor has an HDMI-DVI adapter and that's why I see black. At first I thought the board might be dead. But, then I re-flashed Debian on to the official SD card, connected to both HDMI TV and Ethernet and everything now works as expected (more or less). Even managed to install Plex and make my TV built in DLNA client connect to it.
What I'm trying to say is that while shit does happen, this is not the case. These guys do deliver and the product is good. Just need to be patient and not take anything for granted. I find it is a good general rule for life as well.
I know the project is very young, but...
Things to improve:
1. User Manual. With pictures. For dummies.
Because not all people are Linux gurus or have electronics related training.
2. Better software.
Coherent Linux distros. Pre-built images with drivers and everything working OOB.
3. More modules.
Servo motors, PWM's, accelerometers, gyros, 3G/4G, GPS, etc...
Because if I can make a freaking R/C robot with an arduino or a pi, I should be able to do the same with pine.
This was meant as business suggestion, not a critique. Making these modules available and work well OOB (TESTING!!!) would enlarge the potential market and take this project from a small geek initiative to a stratosphere.
Just my 0.02
Cheers
Thanks on the suggestion and we will improve.
RE: Corporate Responsiblity - ccgmtl - 06-13-2016
(06-08-2016, 08:36 PM)Agreed... A quick start guide should have been available by now... Granted this is a "kit" computer, and it\s not targeted at a non-technical audience, but the basics like "which way does the touchscreen cable go in?" should have been covered... A quick start guide would have nullified a good chunk of the forum posts. gwizard Wrote: Things to improve:
1. User Manual. With pictures. For dummies.
Because not all people are Linux gurus or have electronics related training.
2. Better software.
Coherent Linux distros. Pre-built images with drivers and everything working OOB.
3. More modules.
Servo motors, PWM's, accelerometers, gyros, 3G/4G, GPS, etc...
Because if I can make a freaking R/C robot with an arduino or a pi, I should be able to do the same with pine.
This was meant as business suggestion, not a critique. Making these modules available and work well OOB (TESTING!!!) would enlarge the potential market and take this project from a small geek initiative to a stratosphere.
Just my 0.02
Cheers
RE: Corporate Responsiblity - tllim - 06-13-2016
(06-13-2016, 07:46 AM)ccgmtl Wrote:(06-08-2016, 08:36 PM)Agreed... A quick start guide should have been available by now... Granted this is a "kit" computer, and it\s not targeted at a non-technical audience, but the basics like "which way does the touchscreen cable go in?" should have been covered... A quick start guide would have nullified a good chunk of the forum posts. gwizard Wrote: Things to improve:
1. User Manual. With pictures. For dummies.
Because not all people are Linux gurus or have electronics related training.
2. Better software.
Coherent Linux distros. Pre-built images with drivers and everything working OOB.
3. More modules.
Servo motors, PWM's, accelerometers, gyros, 3G/4G, GPS, etc...
Because if I can make a freaking R/C robot with an arduino or a pi, I should be able to do the same with pine.
This was meant as business suggestion, not a critique. Making these modules available and work well OOB (TESTING!!!) would enlarge the potential market and take this project from a small geek initiative to a stratosphere.
Just my 0.02
Cheers
Thanks on the constructive suggestions, working toward the suggested direction are necessary.