Lets create the PineCom
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Reading through the October update, I appreciate that we are being heard with regards to our feedback! However, to address some bits:

"The PineCom will not detract from PinePhone development because the new device will be compatible with existing PinePhone OS images."
Be that as it may, it's still a different enough device that things are going to have to change. A smaller screen, for instance, means the UI and scaling has to be reworked to some degree to accommodate. New radios and communication protocols also require new drivers and software to go along with it. This means that it will, in fact, drain existing resources by dividing developers and spreading them even thinner. The one and only reason I haven't switched over to my PinePhone as a daily driver is the lack of proper MMS support in the software (when I say proper, I don't just mean implementing some hacky script to automatically throw away MMS messages so the modem doesn't get congested, I mean being able to actually send and receive pictures, videos, audio clips, group messages, etc). Aside from that, I don't mind the crashes and bugs; I could live with that for the time being, but that's all stuff that came before this PineCom idea and thus should take priority.

"Secondly, having LoRaWAN and other alternative protocols enabled and working in Linux on the PineCom may actually convince us to create custom back-covers with these protocols for the PinePhone."
This is a VERY backwards approach. You have a device that is already 90% there. Give us the remaining 10% in the form of back covers. Then, we can use our existing PinePhones, implement support for LoRa or other protocols, and THEN you release something like the PineCom. Releasing it the other way is not going to work out the way you think; it would be a brick for months, if not years, while devs are trying to figure out how to add the support, and unlike the PinePhone, it doesn't have enough features to at least be an exciting brick.
Another way to think about this is from the cost. What is cheaper to manufacture: a back cover, or a whole new device? Obviously, the back cover. So what happens if you make a mistake in engineering? Sure, a defect in the back cover would be expensive, but a defect in a whole new device would be incredibly expensive. Be smart about this!

Again, I don't mean to come off as a dick, but I care enough about you guys that, unfortunately, I have to be. I currently cannot say I've changed my mind after reading the update; I still think this device is unnecessary and would be better implemented as an addon to the PinePhone.
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Lets create the PineCom - by Luke - 10-09-2020, 06:13 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by patrickmollohan - 10-09-2020, 06:34 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by SwordfishII - 10-10-2020, 06:37 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 10-09-2020, 07:32 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Dendrocalamus64 - 10-09-2020, 07:42 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by torbuntu - 10-09-2020, 08:11 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by nic-hartley - 10-09-2020, 10:48 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by CharlieGordon - 10-09-2020, 10:49 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by r10game - 03-15-2021, 11:37 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by barray - 10-10-2020, 01:57 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by patchedsoul - 10-10-2020, 02:10 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by tlengyel - 10-13-2020, 07:47 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by MartijnBraam - 10-10-2020, 03:24 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by pfeerick - 10-10-2020, 03:51 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by DolphinChips - 10-10-2020, 03:56 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by rocket2nfinity - 10-10-2020, 04:45 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by poVoq - 10-10-2020, 05:49 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Aberts10 - 10-12-2020, 11:24 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Societus - 10-10-2020, 07:33 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by patrickmollohan - 10-10-2020, 07:44 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by manawyrm - 10-10-2020, 07:56 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by my3ke - 10-10-2020, 08:46 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by desca - 10-10-2020, 10:11 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bard - 10-10-2020, 10:29 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by konradybcio - 10-10-2020, 10:45 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Avamander - 10-10-2020, 10:49 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by goapunk - 10-10-2020, 11:13 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by truculentsheep - 10-10-2020, 11:14 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by pagrus - 10-10-2020, 11:36 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Aberts10 - 10-10-2020, 12:07 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by jed - 10-10-2020, 12:51 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by lot378 - 10-10-2020, 01:02 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by GreyLinux - 10-10-2020, 01:12 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by nyxxenator - 10-10-2020, 01:44 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 10-10-2020, 04:25 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by nyxxenator - 10-12-2020, 09:27 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 10-12-2020, 09:49 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by nyxxenator - 10-13-2020, 07:30 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by baschdel - 10-10-2020, 04:39 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by pfeerick - 10-11-2020, 03:03 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by c0n57an71n - 10-11-2020, 05:08 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Avamander - 10-11-2020, 05:10 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by c0n57an71n - 10-11-2020, 06:41 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by linmob - 10-11-2020, 07:11 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by rp3 - 10-11-2020, 07:53 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by tz7nmvtsgoiys34f - 10-11-2020, 10:19 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by vazark - 10-11-2020, 12:14 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by yunowho - 10-11-2020, 02:34 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by saturday31 - 10-11-2020, 02:44 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by saturday31 - 10-11-2020, 02:45 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by remyers - 10-12-2020, 02:53 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by a-wai - 10-12-2020, 06:28 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by x0r - 10-12-2020, 07:43 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by binarian - 10-12-2020, 08:30 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by x0r - 10-12-2020, 09:53 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by vituous - 10-12-2020, 04:13 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by _hg_ - 10-12-2020, 09:41 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by pfeerick - 10-12-2020, 11:37 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by eaglecup - 10-13-2020, 12:04 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by as400 - 10-13-2020, 01:31 AM
off-grid sbc? - by pljanson - 10-13-2020, 03:17 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by stmckee - 10-13-2020, 10:31 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Sproutch - 10-13-2020, 11:10 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by _hg_ - 10-13-2020, 01:10 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 10-13-2020, 02:07 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bcnaz - 10-13-2020, 02:16 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by nas - 10-14-2020, 12:59 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 10-14-2020, 01:51 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by TuxThePenguin - 10-14-2020, 08:24 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by MotoFufu9k - 10-15-2020, 06:37 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by keg0death - 10-15-2020, 10:06 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by patrickmollohan - 10-15-2020, 02:00 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by nas - 10-15-2020, 02:14 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KiteX3 - 10-15-2020, 03:32 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bruce - 10-15-2020, 04:36 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bookhydra - 10-15-2020, 06:47 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by talmage - 10-16-2020, 07:33 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by pinellama - 10-16-2020, 08:29 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by tllim - 10-17-2020, 01:09 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by lewellyn - 10-21-2020, 05:38 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by RTP - 10-16-2020, 09:20 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Pelecanus - 10-16-2020, 12:18 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by kelbot - 10-16-2020, 05:51 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bcnaz - 10-17-2020, 08:33 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 10-18-2020, 08:39 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bcnaz - 10-19-2020, 02:16 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 10-19-2020, 04:13 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by DrYak - 10-21-2020, 04:38 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bcnaz - 10-21-2020, 04:29 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 10-21-2020, 05:05 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by NGOcustomer - 10-23-2020, 08:40 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by pljanson - 10-25-2020, 04:32 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by NGOcustomer - 10-27-2020, 04:05 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 10-25-2020, 05:26 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by ghostpatch - 10-25-2020, 09:32 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bcnaz - 10-26-2020, 03:29 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by ghostpatch - 10-26-2020, 10:18 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by diodelass - 10-26-2020, 11:41 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 10-27-2020, 12:17 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 10-27-2020, 05:49 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by X2Q1 - 10-27-2020, 09:25 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by James Good - 10-28-2020, 12:51 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bcnaz - 10-29-2020, 12:29 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by aussetg - 10-29-2020, 10:29 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by BronzeBeard - 10-29-2020, 05:38 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bcnaz - 10-29-2020, 06:14 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by roel - 10-30-2020, 09:49 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by kuleszdl - 11-01-2020, 05:31 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 11-01-2020, 08:27 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by DarrowAtreides - 11-10-2020, 11:40 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by zer0sig - 11-11-2020, 10:31 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bcnaz - 11-11-2020, 02:16 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by zer0sig - 11-14-2020, 03:51 AM
PineCon as Desktop - by kosfi - 11-18-2020, 01:33 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by DrYak - 11-25-2020, 02:04 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Abishek_Muthian - 11-28-2020, 08:28 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bcnaz - 12-05-2020, 11:13 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by tllim - 12-08-2020, 12:50 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by n0p0n3 - 12-05-2020, 08:32 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by EternityForest - 12-19-2020, 06:35 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 12-19-2020, 06:49 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by EternityForest - 12-19-2020, 11:34 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 12-20-2020, 11:05 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by barray - 12-20-2020, 05:40 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by EternityForest - 12-20-2020, 07:34 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 12-20-2020, 08:35 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by ab1jx - 12-20-2020, 08:57 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 12-20-2020, 09:16 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Arwen - 12-21-2020, 11:24 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by tllim - 12-23-2020, 10:05 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Zack - 01-16-2021, 11:46 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 01-16-2021, 12:46 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KNERD - 01-16-2021, 02:00 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 01-16-2021, 03:40 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KNERD - 01-17-2021, 10:48 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 01-17-2021, 11:17 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KNERD - 01-18-2021, 11:59 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by ljones - 01-17-2021, 11:10 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 01-17-2021, 11:27 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 01-18-2021, 04:32 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KNERD - 01-18-2021, 10:02 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 01-18-2021, 11:03 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by nas - 01-19-2021, 03:40 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by EspeciallyDirect - 01-20-2021, 11:41 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by diodelass - 01-21-2021, 07:43 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by the01player - 02-01-2021, 08:36 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by zer0sig - 02-08-2021, 11:04 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by novhack - 02-08-2021, 02:16 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 02-08-2021, 04:17 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bookhydra - 02-13-2021, 03:09 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by barray - 02-13-2021, 06:08 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by zer0sig - 02-21-2021, 09:50 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Braillynn - 02-19-2021, 04:06 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 02-19-2021, 06:24 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by Arwen - 02-21-2021, 10:02 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by zer0sig - 03-08-2021, 11:24 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by notpod - 02-22-2021, 05:52 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by globaltree - 02-28-2021, 05:22 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by bookhydra - 03-04-2021, 11:36 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by rimko - 03-07-2021, 01:54 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by diodelass - 04-05-2021, 11:13 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 04-05-2021, 01:04 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by mattswest - 04-05-2021, 09:56 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by zer0sig - 04-06-2021, 09:18 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 04-06-2021, 04:11 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by diodelass - 04-11-2021, 02:40 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by KC9UDX - 04-11-2021, 11:54 PM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by xalius - 04-14-2021, 05:50 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by israel - 04-14-2021, 09:54 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by spaetz - 05-01-2021, 11:33 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by mandavel - 05-11-2021, 08:32 AM
RE: Lets create the PineCom - by _kiwi - 06-17-2021, 05:09 PM

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