Is UT in PinePhone same thing than in another phone?
#11
(08-19-2020, 08:29 AM)Cree Wrote: But Librem isn't open source, so you have to take Purism's word for it & pay more.

What? Librem is not only using exclusively free and open source software, it is also going to get "Respects Your Freedom" certification from the FSF. See more detailed comparison of the phones: https://forums.puri.sm/t/comparing-specs...hones/6827 with proofs.



(08-19-2020, 02:11 PM)natasha Wrote: For me, the kill switches are useless as how they are assembled. First, you have to open the cover, which is ok. Second, you need a microscope to see which switch you need to turn off and a micro-mini-tiny-stick to actually turn it on/off.

It would be very useful if you could turn it on/off at anytime. They are off, you want to take a picture, turn it on. You want to connect the internet, turn wifi on. You are done? off. You cannot do this.
You should definitely consider Librem 5, since it has the easily accessible kill switches: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
#12
I believe the Librem5 and the Pine phone will actually compliment each other in the long run,
They are both supporting free and open software.
They will just be catering to slightly different users.
Both are actively supporting the privacy issues the current big players have been invading !
#13
(08-18-2020, 09:16 PM)Korac Wrote: The best ongoing information can be found here: https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone

As mentioned in the README, the Pinephone doesn't rely on the Android kernel/halium like every other UT device does. That's probably the most profound reason why the Pinephone is 'so special' compared to other devices running UT.

@Korac 
Would it be possible to install a pure linux kernel and a linux OS (UT, etc) on an android device? I mean, if Android kernel comes from Linux, probably it means the hardware is not that different. So, why not develop a linux kernel for Android phones? Why the need for the android kernel? only because is already there?
#14
(08-20-2020, 08:32 AM)daniel Wrote:
(08-18-2020, 09:16 PM)Korac Wrote: The best ongoing information can be found here: https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone

As mentioned in the README, the Pinephone doesn't rely on the Android kernel/halium like every other UT device does. That's probably the most profound reason why the Pinephone is 'so special' compared to other devices running UT.

@Korac 
Would it be possible to install a pure linux kernel and a linux OS (UT, etc) on an android device? I mean, if Android kernel comes from Linux, probably it means the hardware is not that different. So, why not develop a linux kernel for Android phones? Why the need for the android kernel? only because is already there?
We cannot develop Linux for Android devices, because they rely on proprietary drivers depending on old Linux kernel versions. The manufacturers refuse to update their firmware and devices stuck with old kernels. More details (starting from words "The biggest way that the mobile industry limits the lifespan of phones is by not providing software updates."): https://amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2020/08...-of-phosh/
#15
(08-20-2020, 06:19 AM)fsflover Wrote: natashaFor me, the kill switches are useless as how they are assembled. First, you have to open the cover, which is ok. Second, you need a microscope to see which switch you need to turn off and a micro-mini-tiny-stick to actually turn it on/off.

It would be very useful if you could turn it on/off at anytime. They are off, you want to take a picture, turn it on. You want to connect the internet, turn wifi on. You are done? off. You cannot do this.

You should definitely consider Librem 5, since it has the easily accessible kill switches: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

Yes, maybe I should try Librem5. The price is a little too high $700 or $1900... However, how pine64 created this phone trapped me. It is still a prototype, everyone can add ideas, OSs are getting there...  and I am not in a hurry.  I am actually enjoying watching how this project is growing more than buying something already finished.

I can play with my PP and if it breaks it is ok, not a big loss, I get another one. Even getting one was an adventure!!

That is why I think moving the switches to a better position would multiply its power millions of times.

I see people defending the switches as they are. Wouldn't you prefer to have them more accessible? honestly. I mean, maybe if we ask, pine64 will put them outside. Or as @bcnaz suggested with a sliding door (but make buttons bigger please). My cover start cracking!

Other posts supporting external switched:
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9720
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9149
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=8464

Also, from the Brave Heart picture, it looks switches were bigger than in the community edition. Can anyone compare side by side?
https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=...tches.jpeg
#16
(08-20-2020, 01:36 PM)natasha Wrote: Yes, maybe I should try Librem5. The price is a little too high $700 or $1900... However, how pine64 created this phone trapped me. It is still a prototype, everyone can add ideas, OSs are getting there...  and I am not in a hurry.  I am actually enjoying watching how this project is growing more than buying something already finished.

I can play with my PP and if it breaks it is ok, not a big loss, I get another one. Even getting one was an adventure!!

That is why I think moving the switches to a better position would multiply its power millions of times.

I see people defending the switches as they are. Wouldn't you prefer to have them more accessible? honestly. I mean, maybe if we ask, pine64 will put them outside. Or as @bcnaz suggested with a sliding door (but make buttons bigger please). My cover start cracking!

Other posts supporting external switched:
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9720
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9149
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=8464

Also, from the Brave Heart picture, it looks switches were bigger than in the community edition. Can anyone compare side by side?
https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=...tches.jpeg

Just eyeing it from the picture the proportions of the component spacing the switch sides are the same. A good place to check though would be the hardware revision doc located here.
#17
(08-20-2020, 01:36 PM)natasha Wrote:
(08-20-2020, 06:19 AM)fsflover Wrote: natashaFor me, the kill switches are useless as how they are assembled. First, you have to open the cover, which is ok. Second, you need a microscope to see which switch you need to turn off and a micro-mini-tiny-stick to actually turn it on/off.

It would be very useful if you could turn it on/off at anytime. They are off, you want to take a picture, turn it on. You want to connect the internet, turn wifi on. You are done? off. You cannot do this.

You should definitely consider Librem 5, since it has the easily accessible kill switches: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

Yes, maybe I should try Librem5. The price is a little too high $700 or $1900... However, how pine64 created this phone trapped me. It is still a prototype, everyone can add ideas, OSs are getting there...  and I am not in a hurry.  I am actually enjoying watching how this project is growing more than buying something already finished.

I can play with my PP and if it breaks it is ok, not a big loss, I get another one. Even getting one was an adventure!!

That is why I think moving the switches to a better position would multiply its power millions of times.

I see people defending the switches as they are. Wouldn't you prefer to have them more accessible? honestly. I mean, maybe if we ask, pine64 will put them outside. Or as @bcnaz suggested with a sliding door (but make buttons bigger please). My cover start cracking!

Other posts supporting external switched:
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9720
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9149
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=8464

Also, from the Brave Heart picture, it looks switches were bigger than in the community edition. Can anyone compare side by side?
https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=...tches.jpeg

Hey, nice post

I read they are keeping it as it is for two reasons: One is the complexity and the second the price.
This means that if they can solve how to move the buttons out they will do it. For now, is too complicated.

I guess now is just a proof of concept. Can be done.
Next step someone has to design how to move the buttons outside. I guess easy to think, not that easy to perform.
Great discussion!
#18
(08-21-2020, 08:47 AM)daniel Wrote:
(08-20-2020, 01:36 PM)natasha Wrote:
(08-20-2020, 06:19 AM)fsflover Wrote: natashaFor me, the kill switches are useless as how they are assembled. First, you have to open the cover, which is ok. Second, you need a microscope to see which switch you need to turn off and a micro-mini-tiny-stick to actually turn it on/off.

It would be very useful if you could turn it on/off at anytime. They are off, you want to take a picture, turn it on. You want to connect the internet, turn wifi on. You are done? off. You cannot do this.

You should definitely consider Librem 5, since it has the easily accessible kill switches: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

Yes, maybe I should try Librem5. The price is a little too high $700 or $1900... However, how pine64 created this phone trapped me. It is still a prototype, everyone can add ideas, OSs are getting there...  and I am not in a hurry.  I am actually enjoying watching how this project is growing more than buying something already finished.

I can play with my PP and if it breaks it is ok, not a big loss, I get another one. Even getting one was an adventure!!

That is why I think moving the switches to a better position would multiply its power millions of times.

I see people defending the switches as they are. Wouldn't you prefer to have them more accessible? honestly. I mean, maybe if we ask, pine64 will put them outside. Or as @bcnaz suggested with a sliding door (but make buttons bigger please). My cover start cracking!

Other posts supporting external switched:
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9720
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9149
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=8464

Also, from the Brave Heart picture, it looks switches were bigger than in the community edition. Can anyone compare side by side?
https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=...tches.jpeg

Hey, nice post

I read they are keeping it as it is for two reasons: One is the complexity and the second the price.
This means that if they can solve how to move the buttons out they will do it. For now, is too complicated.

I guess now is just a proof of concept. Can be done.
Next step someone has to design how to move the buttons outside. I guess easy to think, not that easy to perform.
Great discussion!


If they did move them to the outside, they may get changed by accident, and it could make it easier for moisture to get inside.... ?
#19
(08-21-2020, 02:21 PM)bcnaz Wrote:
(08-21-2020, 08:47 AM)daniel Wrote:
(08-20-2020, 01:36 PM)natasha Wrote:
(08-20-2020, 06:19 AM)fsflover Wrote: natashaFor me, the kill switches are useless as how they are assembled. First, you have to open the cover, which is ok. Second, you need a microscope to see which switch you need to turn off and a micro-mini-tiny-stick to actually turn it on/off.

It would be very useful if you could turn it on/off at anytime. They are off, you want to take a picture, turn it on. You want to connect the internet, turn wifi on. You are done? off. You cannot do this.

You should definitely consider Librem 5, since it has the easily accessible kill switches: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

Yes, maybe I should try Librem5. The price is a little too high $700 or $1900... However, how pine64 created this phone trapped me. It is still a prototype, everyone can add ideas, OSs are getting there...  and I am not in a hurry.  I am actually enjoying watching how this project is growing more than buying something already finished.

I can play with my PP and if it breaks it is ok, not a big loss, I get another one. Even getting one was an adventure!!

That is why I think moving the switches to a better position would multiply its power millions of times.

I see people defending the switches as they are. Wouldn't you prefer to have them more accessible? honestly. I mean, maybe if we ask, pine64 will put them outside. Or as @bcnaz suggested with a sliding door (but make buttons bigger please). My cover start cracking!

Other posts supporting external switched:
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9720
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9149
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=8464

Also, from the Brave Heart picture, it looks switches were bigger than in the community edition. Can anyone compare side by side?
https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=...tches.jpeg

Hey, nice post

I read they are keeping it as it is for two reasons: One is the complexity and the second the price.
This means that if they can solve how to move the buttons out they will do it. For now, is too complicated.

I guess now is just a proof of concept. Can be done.
Next step someone has to design how to move the buttons outside. I guess easy to think, not that easy to perform.
Great discussion!


If they did move them to the outside, they may get changed by accident, and it could make it easier for moisture to get inside.... ?
The design should be in a way that cannot move easily moved by accident. Look the ones in Librem5, they cannot be moved unless is intentional.

https://puri.sm/wp-content/uploads/2019/...case-7.jpg
#20
(08-21-2020, 02:33 PM)natasha Wrote:
(08-21-2020, 02:21 PM)bcnaz Wrote:
(08-21-2020, 08:47 AM)daniel Wrote:
(08-20-2020, 01:36 PM)natasha Wrote:
(08-20-2020, 06:19 AM)fsflover Wrote: natashaFor me, the kill switches are useless as how they are assembled. First, you have to open the cover, which is ok. Second, you need a microscope to see which switch you need to turn off and a micro-mini-tiny-stick to actually turn it on/off.

It would be very useful if you could turn it on/off at anytime. They are off, you want to take a picture, turn it on. You want to connect the internet, turn wifi on. You are done? off. You cannot do this.

You should definitely consider Librem 5, since it has the easily accessible kill switches: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

Yes, maybe I should try Librem5. The price is a little too high $700 or $1900... However, how pine64 created this phone trapped me. It is still a prototype, everyone can add ideas, OSs are getting there...  and I am not in a hurry.  I am actually enjoying watching how this project is growing more than buying something already finished.

I can play with my PP and if it breaks it is ok, not a big loss, I get another one. Even getting one was an adventure!!

That is why I think moving the switches to a better position would multiply its power millions of times.

I see people defending the switches as they are. Wouldn't you prefer to have them more accessible? honestly. I mean, maybe if we ask, pine64 will put them outside. Or as @bcnaz suggested with a sliding door (but make buttons bigger please). My cover start cracking!

Other posts supporting external switched:
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9720
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9149
https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=8464

Also, from the Brave Heart picture, it looks switches were bigger than in the community edition. Can anyone compare side by side?
https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=...tches.jpeg

Hey, nice post

I read they are keeping it as it is for two reasons: One is the complexity and the second the price.
This means that if they can solve how to move the buttons out they will do it. For now, is too complicated.

I guess now is just a proof of concept. Can be done.
Next step someone has to design how to move the buttons outside. I guess easy to think, not that easy to perform.
Great discussion!


If they did move them to the outside, they may get changed by accident, and it could make it easier for moisture to get inside.... ?
The design should be in a way that cannot move easily moved by accident. Look the ones in Librem5, they cannot be moved unless is intentional.

https://puri.sm/wp-content/uploads/2019/...case-7.jpg
YES,  they are on the side.  That is a bit more complex in the building process.
and they appear to be semi-recessed into the case edge,

 I do agree that is a great idea, but it is a complex & expensive move.


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