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RE: Pinebook Pro? - jpakkane - 06-08-2019
Are there any estimates on how well the hardware works for presentation use. That is, if you use an adapter and plug it in some random projector (usually with HDMI but sometimes even with VGA) is it expected to work?
RE: Pinebook Pro? - Luke - 06-08-2019
(06-08-2019, 09:44 AM)jpakkane Wrote: Are there any estimates on how well the hardware works for presentation use. That is, if you use an adapter and plug it in some random projector (usually with HDMI but sometimes even with VGA) is it expected to work?
This probably answers your question best:
RE: Pinebook Pro? - zaius - 06-08-2019
Obviously, that's a typo, and the jack isn't three and a half inches in diameter.
It's something like this:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cui-inc/PJ-031D/CP-031D-ND/1644522
RE: Pinebook Pro? - jpakkane - 06-09-2019
(06-08-2019, 10:22 AM)Luke Wrote: This probably answers your question best:
Unfortunately not really. Projectors are notoriously fickle. Laptops that work on some monitors and projectors might fail randomly on others. The only real way to know would be to try the actual hardware on a bunch of different projectors and seeing what happens.
RE: Pinebook Pro? - Luke - 06-09-2019
(06-09-2019, 05:10 AM)jpakkane Wrote:(06-08-2019, 10:22 AM)Luke Wrote: This probably answers your question best:
Unfortunately not really. Projectors are notoriously fickle. Laptops that work on some monitors and projectors might fail randomly on others. The only real way to know would be to try the actual hardware on a bunch of different projectors and seeing what happens.
No means or capacity to do that. I guess we'll have to find out when they are out in the wild.
RE: Pinebook Pro? - RMJ250 - 06-09-2019
Great update news Luke!
I have been using a Raspberry Pi 3B+ with an old Nexdock to get a feel for ARM as a desktop. The apps I typically use on a desktop, that I have tried, are in the repos for ARM on Raspbian, I guess the same will be available on the Pinebook Pro? The Raspberry Pi is a little slow for some tasks, would you say the Pinebook Pro will be significantly or slightly faster?
Can't wait for the next exciting update now...
RE: Pinebook Pro? - enip - 06-10-2019
(06-09-2019, 08:45 PM)RMJ250 Wrote: The apps I typically use on a desktop, that I have tried, are in the repos for ARM on Raspbian, I guess the same will be available on the Pinebook Pro?
Even more than that. If you stick with armbian you'll get packages right from the official debian or ubuntu (there are two armbian flavours) repos aside from a few armbian own packages.
(06-09-2019, 08:45 PM)RMJ250 Wrote: The Raspberry Pi is a little slow for some tasks, would you say the Pinebook Pro will be significantly or slightly faster?
You can ask for real experience in rockpro64 section since it has the same rk3399/4gb ram. Also you can ask owners of Samsung Chromebook Plus V1 (the rk3399 one). Since Samsung Chromebook Plus V2 moved to Celeron 3965Y I might think rk3399 is comparable to extremely low power (the "Y" suffix) recent mobile celerons in computing power.
RE: Pinebook Pro? - RMJ250 - 06-10-2019
(06-10-2019, 02:28 AM)enip Wrote:(06-09-2019, 08:45 PM)RMJ250 Wrote: The apps I typically use on a desktop, that I have tried, are in the repos for ARM on Raspbian, I guess the same will be available on the Pinebook Pro?
Even more than that. If you stick with armbian you'll get packages right from the official debian or ubuntu (there are two armbian flavours) repos aside from a few armbian own packages.
(06-09-2019, 08:45 PM)RMJ250 Wrote: The Raspberry Pi is a little slow for some tasks, would you say the Pinebook Pro will be significantly or slightly faster?
You can ask for real experience in rockpro64 section since it has the same rk3399/4gb ram. Also you can ask owners of Samsung Chromebook Plus V1 (the rk3399 one). Since Samsung Chromebook Plus V2 moved to Celeron 3965Y I might think rk3399 is comparable to extremely low power (the "Y" suffix) recent mobile celerons in computing power.
Thx for the heads up
I found an interesting comparison test here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k4kMEbeORLo
However the sysbench figures are slightly skewed due to the test changing between versions (Read the comments for explanation)
RE: Pinebook Pro? - enip - 06-10-2019
(06-10-2019, 03:09 AM)RMJ250 Wrote: I found an interesting comparison test here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k4kMEbeORLo
However the sysbench figures are slightly skewed due to the test changing between versions (Read the comments for explanation)
I've got some more numbers for you. Going back to rk3399/Celeron 3965Y in Samsung Chromebook Plus V1/V2, lets look here https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
Celeron 3965Y scored 1629
core2duo T7700 scored 1423
I've got a laptop with T7700/4g ddr2 ram running ubuntu 16.04 (unity). There are no problems with it in terms of performance (if only it wasn't so loud at high cpu usage). So in case rk3399 performance is on par with 12yo mobile core2duo, I'd expect it to be a great mini-desktop experience.
RE: Pinebook Pro? - u974615 - 06-10-2019
(02-07-2019, 05:45 AM)soupbowl Wrote:(02-06-2019, 03:53 PM)whm1974 Wrote:(02-06-2019, 03:24 PM)soupbowl Wrote: Stabbing in the dark, but I think it's because ARM is mostly used in embedded systems, and has only recently began being adopted into other purposes. It weren't too long ago that PowerPC was a growing contender in the server market (and briefly Apple devices), then disappeared.
Will the PineTab adopt the same SD-Card preferential boot? Personally prefer this approach, makes distrohopping really easy.
Maybe they can use LibreBoot and Coreboot?
https://www.coreboot.org/
https://libreboot.org/
Either one would make things way easier for Linux and BSD distros to support ARM devices and PCs.
Will check out Libreboot in some more detail soon. I'm still boggled by the idea of no-BIOS, so I'll need to do some investigating.
Think of it as more of a boot-firmware (Coreboot/Libreboot) to a payload (DepthCharge UEFI)...and not a BIOS to a bootloader.
Libreboot stable currently only supports ASUS Chromebook C201 (Rockchip RK3288). There are other ARM boards in development, but not the Pinebook Pro's (Rockchip RK3399), nor Wandaboard PICO-PI-IMX8M-4G-DEV (NXP i.MX8M).
AFAIK, Paul Kocialkowski did most of the porting work for Libreboot on ASUS C201: https://github.com/paulkocialkowski?tab=repositories