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About the next ARM-based macbook.... - walterego - 06-24-2020
Hello! I recently received a Pinebook pro and I love the aestetichs and the idea of an arm-based laptop. However I see lag of support regarding most Distros that could do wonders in this machine.
Meanwhile the rumors of a new arm-based Macbook Air are real and I was wondering if somebody would be brave enough to eventually port arm-MacOS to the Pinebook pro. that would be the ultimate Operative System goal IMO. Any thoughts?
RE: About the next ARM-based macbook.... - xmixahlx - 06-24-2020
download big sur and go for it!
RE: About the next ARM-based macbook.... - jiyong - 06-25-2020
I fail to see why MacOS would be the ultimate Operative System goal.
Apple is a company known for vendor lock-in.
Linux is about interoperability.
Two very different worlds.
RE: About the next ARM-based macbook.... - Eight Bit - 06-25-2020
I can imagine why it would be useful, though I loathe the company, they have some awesome software running on their systems. Like Qlab for instance.
Some compatibility layer would work for me too
RE: About the next ARM-based macbook.... - walterego - 06-25-2020
(06-25-2020, 03:24 AM)jiyong Wrote: I fail to see why MacOS would be the ultimate Operative System goal.I say that because as of now, most linux distros suck or barely work. Manjaro is ok, but it still has a few issues.
Apple is a company known for vendor lock-in.
Linux is about interoperability.
Two very different worlds.
RE: About the next ARM-based macbook.... - xmixahlx - 06-25-2020
what are the issues with debian?
RE: About the next ARM-based macbook.... - falkensmaze - 06-25-2020
(06-25-2020, 09:05 AM)walterego Wrote:(06-25-2020, 03:24 AM)jiyong Wrote: I fail to see why MacOS would be the ultimate Operative System goal.I say that because as of now, most linux distros suck or barely work. Manjaro is ok, but it still has a few issues.
Apple is a company known for vendor lock-in.
Linux is about interoperability.
Two very different worlds.
Eh, sure there are some distros that have some issues, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that most Linux distros "suck".
In fact, the most popular Linux distributions, such as Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Debian, and the like are, in my experience, even more stable (as well as more secure) than their closed-source counterparts from Microsoft and Apple.
RE: About the next ARM-based macbook.... - bcnaz - 06-25-2020
(06-24-2020, 04:20 PM)walterego Wrote: Hello! I recently received a Pinebook pro and I love the aestetichs and the idea of an arm-based laptop. However I see lag of support regarding most Distros that could do wonders in this machine.
Meanwhile the rumors of a new arm-based Macbook Air are real and I was wondering if somebody would be brave enough to eventually port arm-MacOS to the Pinebook pro. that would be the ultimate Operative System goal IMO. Any thoughts?
Well Linux systems do get FOSS ratings, some better, some worse ... BUT I have never seen a Microsoft or Apple or Android O.S. get any FOSS ratings !
** BUT Linux IS about giving you 'Choices' !
Some users here DO install Google/Android on their devices...
BUT you may run into legal battles as well, putting proprietary software on your device(s)... ?
*** WHY purchase a device aimed at privacy, then install a privacy invading operating system ?
Does NOT make any sense to me, but if It is your choice go for it...
RE: About the next ARM-based macbook.... - Subsentient - 06-25-2020
(06-24-2020, 04:20 PM)walterego Wrote: Hello! I recently received a Pinebook pro and I love the aestetichs and the idea of an arm-based laptop. However I see lag of support regarding most Distros that could do wonders in this machine.That is unlikely for a number of reasons.
Meanwhile the rumors of a new arm-based Macbook Air are real and I was wondering if somebody would be brave enough to eventually port arm-MacOS to the Pinebook pro. that would be the ultimate Operative System goal IMO. Any thoughts?
AArch64 isn't like x86_64, where the kernel is provided a good idea of the hardware layout by the BIOS/UEFI firmware.
It is probably relatively easy to port UEFI to the PineBook, but the necessary hardware detection components, not so much. I think it's ACPI you need for that.
With Linux, it makes hardware support lag since you need to write device tree files for each ARM system, but at least it can arrive. In macOS, the OS is designed to prevent you from extending hardware support, and I'm sure the necessary hooks are undocumented by Apple.
RE: About the next ARM-based macbook.... - jiyong - 06-25-2020
All they have to do is check for the T2 security chip and you are SOL.